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AL N

10-25-2007 11:56:58




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When I rewired my 8N I used the schematic in my service manual. It shows the ammeter being connected by the two studs on the back. That is what caused my dead short. The two screws only mount the ammeter, as yu'll know I'm sure. I did wonder what the small, round hoop at the bottom of the ammeter was for. I saw in my parts book that the wire to the ammeter goes through it to get a reading. Well I can move forward.

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Bob

10-25-2007 14:45:08




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to AL N, 10-25-2007 11:56:58  
Thanks for letting us know you figured it out!

However, I still haven't figured out why it sparked and heaedt up the oil gauge tube when you hit the starter.

You posted:

"I went out and hooked up the battery ground, Holy crap!!!!! No sparks. Turned the key on, pressed the started button and smoke started from the starter relay. I disconnected. I touched the steel tube connector for the oil pressure gage and it burnt my F'in fingers. I mean it was hot. I hope this new info helps. To me it's a dead short, but where I don't have a clue."

Normally, the ammeter connections would be "HOT" at all times, and "hitting the starter" shouldn't have only then made things spark and smoke!

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Jack - Illinois

10-25-2007 16:56:06




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to Bob, 10-25-2007 14:45:08  
Bob - I agree with what you are saying. I have pondered on it and don't see how it could have happened like it did with the information given. It is good to exercise the old brain sometimes though. Wife says mine needs it!!



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Phil (NJ,Az,Sask)

10-25-2007 15:19:15




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to Bob, 10-25-2007 14:45:08  
[quote]However, I still haven't figured out why it sparked and heaedt up the oil gauge tube when you hit the starter.
[/quote] BOB, The battery ground cable was/is not properly grounded to the dash, such that the DASH (short) found a better ground path through the copper OIL Tube. This will happen because of Paint/sheet metal etc. The Dash does not need to be grounded for a functioning system but understanding that all Grounds are not equal will help in trouble shooting problems. This is why Cars must have all those little Ground straps connected.

Its not a big deal that needs to be corrected

Hope This Helps,

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Bob

10-25-2007 16:00:49




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to Phil (NJ,Az,Sask), 10-25-2007 15:19:15  
Phil, you need to read the whole scenario again.

I ALREADY posted (in the other thread) the fact that the dash was not properly grounded, causing current to flow through the steel oil line... that fact ain't "brain surgery", and you're not telling me anything I didn't already know.

What is ODD is that the short to ground at the ammeter didn't "let the smoke out" BEFORE he hit the starter switch. As you know the ammeter would have power to it, before and after the starter switch was activated. WHY did the short at the ammeter only show up AFTER the starter button was pushed?

My other post from last night:

"Here's another thought... Is the "ground strap" from the battery connected to the "dash board support/battery box"?
If so, there may be paint and rust insulating the battery box from the flywheel housing/engine, and the current drawn by the starter MAY be flowing from the dashboard to the engine block/starter using the steel oil gauge tubing as a conductor.

This WOULD NOT be the first instance of that happening, and IIRC, there is a post somewhere in the archives of that very thing happening to someone else!"

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AL N

10-25-2007 18:22:39




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to Bob, 10-25-2007 16:00:49  
Sorry I haven't been on line sooner. The ammeter was shorted to the instrument panel and began heating the line from the starter to the ammeter immediately. It was a coincident that I hit the starter button when the insulation started to smoke. I didn't know that the two studs were mounting posts so that's why it was a dead short. I really appreciate all of your inputs. I'm sure I need more like now. I need to replace the seal between the transmission and the rear housing. When I try to pull the front away, it seems to be caught inside. I removed the PTO shaft.

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Tom N MS

10-25-2007 18:43:09




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to AL N, 10-25-2007 18:22:39  
Shouldn't be hard to separate. Spline that goes through the clutch plate might be rusty or if you don't roll it straight back it could bind in the spline or might try to bind in the pilot bearing. Also you need to have your jacks just snug, no lift on the front and back sections when you start to move the two halves apart.



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AL N

10-25-2007 19:14:04




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to Tom N MS, 10-25-2007 18:43:09  
Not the engine from the transmission case...the transmission case from the rear assembly. When I try to pull the front away from the rear it is hooked on something inside and the lever on the left side of the tractor.????? ??



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Bob

10-26-2007 09:17:37




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to AL N, 10-25-2007 19:14:04  
Remove the cover plate with the PTO lever.



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soundguy

10-25-2007 12:49:59




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 Re: Update 6 volt ground in reply to AL N, 10-25-2007 11:56:58  
The new style ammeters only have the 2 posts, and they hav insulator bushings to keep the posts from being common to the frame.. the older meters had 2 mounting posts AND an inductive loop..

Soundguy



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