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Nolan

05-26-1999 05:03:19




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Well the John Deere came and did what my Ford couldn't do, move the downed tree. More weight and a locking differential. Now I can do the weight increase easily enough, but trying to simulate a locked differential by balancing the brakes pretty much only results in the tractor waddling and digging a nice nest to settle down into.

Now my understanding of the N's is that the differential gears are lifted straight out of a Ford truck. Unknown vintage and type to me of course, as none of the books ever say what truck.

So my question and thought is do any of you know what type and era truck was used, were there locking differentials for them, and have any of you ever retrofitted a locking differential from a later tractor onto your N?

This could be interesting if I can find out what sort of truck was used. There's a company that makes a variant of the old Detroit Locker rear end for a mere $200 -250 bucks. It's designed to replace the spider gears of an open differential. Now I just have to ponder the effects of using a locker on a tractor. Biggest problem I can see is tight turning, especially if I were to try using the wheel brakes.

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Bob Z

05-26-1999 08:02:39




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 Re: Locking Differential in reply to Nolan, 05-26-1999 05:03:19  
That'd be pretty trick and I hope you'll keep us posted if/when you find the solution. Wouldn't bother me a bit to screw up my N this way just for neighborhood bragging rights (everyone's got one out here).

As it stands now, though, the oft-stated line at my place when the N isn't up to a job I'm trying to do (usually tree hauling) is "Go get the big tractor." The "big tractor" was a '96 Chevy Sub 4x4. Haven't found the tree yet that truck couldn't move.

Bad news is I traded it in a couple of weeks ago on a new Durango for the wife, though. Worse news is that not only does it look awfully light for "real" work, she'd kill me if I even tried it. Even worse news is I inherited her 2WD Chevy truck in the deal.

That's marriage.

Good news is I ordered an F350 DRW 4x4 diesel crew cab long-box last week.

That's a husband putting his foot down. And going a bit nuts in the process.

Pretty soon both of my tractors will be Fords.

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Vic

05-26-1999 21:23:41




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 Re: Re: Locking Differential in reply to Bob Z, 05-26-1999 08:02:39  
Ah, perfect...

A real Ford truck for the man in the family, and a little MoPar "truck" for the little lady.

And all's right with the world.



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Tim

05-26-1999 22:26:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Locking Differential in reply to Vic, 05-26-1999 21:23:41  
Yeah, well, I had a brand new GMC full-size Jimmy--diesel, four wheel drive, everything as heavy-duty as I could buy it--and I pulled a log a whole ten feet before turning both the front and rear ends into shrapnel. It didn't so much as spin the wheels, but just went CRUNCH and stopped in its tracks.

The dealer didn't know why it happened, but figured maybe it was because I shouldn't have used low range. Beats me what they thought low range was for.

Two Ford pickups later, I've discovered what the problem was. It was a GM product.

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JP (MI)

05-26-1999 09:49:21




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 Re: Re: Locking Differential in reply to Bob Z, 05-26-1999 08:02:39  
I had many trees to move two years ago when we built our house and I tried to use my 8N. It would handle the smaller trees (8" diameter or less) but not the big ones (up to 20" diameter).

A good friend suggested using my pickup, an '89 Chevy 3/4 Ton, V8, 4x4, stick. In low range 4 wheel drive using the creeper gear, I hooked a chain to my hitch and the largest tree (with stump attached). I let the clutch out to tighten the chain (thinking the engine would lug down when tight) and when I looked in the rear view mirror the tree was moving without ever touching the gas pedal.

The truck didn't have to work hard, and was much safer to use for this task than my 8N. For what it's worth.

Regards,
John

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vern mn

05-26-1999 20:20:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Locking Differential in reply to JP (MI), 05-26-1999 09:49:21  
Another angle to move a big tree is to cut it in 1/2 or1/3 chunks and move the smaller pieces. It's just like plowing with a 2 bottom tractor compared to a 6 bottom it just takes longer.vern



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raytasch

05-26-1999 06:38:18




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 Re: Locking Differential in reply to Nolan, 05-26-1999 05:03:19  
Nolan, Sometimes ya got ta run what ya got and hire in help for what ya can't do yourself. Locking rear end, if it could be done to an N, would only address part of the problem. Still do not have much weight or power for a big job. Reciently had a job to do that required more than my Jubilee, Case 310, or N would do. Hired in a big ol Case with an extenda-hoe and for $200. I did not even break a sweat or abuse my tractors. My opinion, Don't mess up a good N.
ray

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excellent advise........Dell (WA)

05-26-1999 06:59:17




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 Re: Re: Locking Differential in reply to raytasch, 05-26-1999 06:38:18  
N's are great little ol' tractors.....but they do have their "short commings". Use the right tool for the job is what they teach all "apprentises". carpenters, electricians, painters, artists, electronic technicians, tractor drivers, whatever..... .Dell



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Fargo

05-26-1999 07:37:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Locking Differential in reply to excellent advise........Dell (WA), 05-26-1999 06:59:17  
Nolan,

If I remember correctly, you've got alot of mud up there. Save your pennies for a used FWD tractor next year or thereafter. One with a diff lock and posi front. Don't spend them on a backward compatible solution that will never really do the job right.

Of course, you could still keep your N for non mud jobs.

Regards



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