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Ron Tron

11-23-2007 20:27:13




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The starter that I have been referring to is in my 36 ford pickup (Desire) that has a 57 ford 292 that my son in law in Durango CO. just rebuilt so its still pretty tight and that possibly could have something to do with the starter heating up after driving but he says just buy a bigger battery that has more cranking amps because after it gets to running temp it pulls over 400 amps when starting and with the pertronix unit that I put in it it doesn' have enough juice to both turn the starter and deliver enough juice to the ignition..... ..not usually a problem on cold starts.....

The reason I don't want to just buy a bigger cranking amp battery is because that doesn't really fix the problem. The starter shouldn't pull more than 150 to 200 amps

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Dell (WA)

11-23-2007 23:24:46




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 Re: Dell in reply to Ron Tron, 11-23-2007 20:27:13  
Ron..... ...pullin' 400-amps when startin a tight motor should still NOT OVERHEAT yer starter motor unless you haffta crank yer engine continuously for more than 1-minute to start it. Why? 'cuz yer starter motor has alotta metal to act as heat sink. Whanna guess how much amps the 6-volt starter draws when you gazzapitt with 12-volts? (hint: twice the amps as when you gazzapitt with 6-volts; its the LAW, Ohms Law)

We routinely use 12-volts on the N-Tractor 6-volt starter motor and it does NOT burn out the starter motor ...unless... you haffta continually crank on the starter motor 'cuz you have other engine condition issues.

As I guessed in my original answer, yer starter motor solenoid ain't disconnecting yer starter electrics after starting. That is the ONLY WAY to cause the "overheating" that you complained about. Check'em out..... ...Dell

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Ron Tron

11-24-2007 07:17:08




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 Re: Dell in reply to Dell (WA), 11-23-2007 23:24:46  
The solenoid sits on the firewall and real easy to get to. Is there a way of testing it..... ..When adjusting the lifters we used a starter switch hooked up to the solenoid and maybe we damaged it?

I was told by two mechanics that the starter was overheating because it was pulling 400 amps..... ...Maybe its not overheating or overheating is the wrong diagnosis, but it isn't supposed to pull that kind of amperage so where do I go from here Dell?

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Dell (WA)

11-24-2007 10:13:00




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 Re: Dell in reply to Ron Tron, 11-24-2007 07:17:08  
Ron..... ...as a general rule, starter solenoids are "bulletproof". I've used hand switch operated solenoids for many engine timing chores. Usually take about 10-sec to turn engine to gitt-too new set-up for ignition timing. no big deal with intermittent operation overheating.

How to test a solenoid? Use voltmeter or trouble testlite and check for volts at BOTH BIG studs. You should have battery volts on ONLY one stud all the time. The starter motor stud should ONLY have volts when you are cranking yer engine.

Check BEFORE you crank yer engine, then AFTER STARTING, check again. Should be NO VOLTS to starter motor.

How did yer mechanics guess yer starter motor was pullin' 400-amps? It takes specialized test equipment to measure 400-amps. You might gitta "surge" of 400-amps at first engagement (usually less than 1-second) but then the starter motor will operate on about 150-amps while cranking the engine.

As I said, it takes a LONG TIME to overheat a starter motor from internal electrical current ..... ...Dell

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Ron Tron

11-26-2007 06:54:13




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 Re: Dell in reply to Dell (WA), 11-24-2007 10:13:00  
I took the starter to a mechanic friend across the way and he put his machine on my battery and when I tried to start the engine he said its reading 400 + amps and the starter is history.

The overheating my son in law explained to me was not the starter itself but the engine heat that migrates and also the starter on the 292 is only a couple inches from the exhaust connection of the exhaust manifold..... ....

I'm having a tough time finding a starter on the internet to exchange mine out with except for NAPA..... ....My son in law suggested AUTOZONE but I can't get a starter to come up on that site..... ...

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