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Float drop on 8N carb.

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Phippsburgh

12-21-2007 15:27:14




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Does anyone know if there is an official or otherwise spec. for float drop on *n carb....I read it can get stuck if too low and flood things. Thanks




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ZANE

12-21-2007 19:40:39




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Phippsburgh, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
Unless you run the engine without gas in the tank or the gas turned off there is no reason to worry about "float drop" since the float will never drop below a fraction of an inch when running as gas is constantly replenishing the float level.

Zane



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8N1949

12-21-2007 18:38:38




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Phippsburgh, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
Here's a link to restoring a old N series carburetor.

http://www.ytmag.com/articles/restore/8ncarb/artint231_pg1.htm



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8N1949

12-21-2007 18:27:27




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Phippsburgh, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
[quote="Dean"](reThough I cannot recite a specification to you, I can tell you what to avoid: The Y-shaped float in these old carburetors will wedge in the tapered float bowl if the float drops too far.
Here's how to cure that problem.

This information was giving to me by a Thomas Edel, who works at the 9N.2N.8N Dearborn plant from 1939-1951. Who later open a Ford tractor dealership (Edel Ford) in Springfield, Mo. To solve the problem of a float sticking... just put two regular size marbles in the carburetor..

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Dunk

12-21-2007 18:14:35




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Phippsburgh, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
Yep for sure there is, but my float doesn't have the tang for that, I don't know why, even has been caved in a little on one of the floats on one side.

Been running her like that for close to 25 years.

Yes, I have had to peck on the side of it with a screwdriver handle before, but that is few and far between.

Also if I try running with the left side of it downhill on a really good slope it (the float) will hang on the bowl, and start flooding it.

So the right side goes on the downhill side, no problem that way.

Lots of the idiosynchricies with these things can be figgered out.

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Sean (TX)

12-21-2007 18:13:49




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Hobo,NC, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
Ok re-read...Not sure on the drop thing...Dont remember seeing that in the F-04...Have to look it over..



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Dunk

12-21-2007 18:15:55




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Sean (TX), 12-21-2007 18:13:49  
Yep, there is specs on float drop.

I ain't able to look them up right now.



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Billy Goat

12-21-2007 18:11:27




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Phippsburgh, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
The FO-4 states, "Float height should be 1/4 inch, measured from the nearest face of the float to the gasket surface of the throttle body." Billy



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Sean (TX)

12-21-2007 18:10:16




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to john hunt, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
It is 1/4"... I use a drill bit for a guage..



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GB in MT.

12-21-2007 18:03:02




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Bob From Paradise, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  


Yes, there are specks written out for the Marvel-Schebler TSX series updraft carbs, for the "N" series tractor.

You will find them and the complete carb. overhaul and adjustments, in the Famed I&T FO-4 service manual.

These manuals are available through this and many other tractor parts sales places.

You really should have one of these if you are going to work on any "N" series tractor.

HTH

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Phippsburgh

12-21-2007 18:15:57




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to GB in MT., 12-21-2007 18:03:02  
I have an I&T Manual and all I see is 4 small paragraphs on carb on Par42 on page 13. That's all. I also printed up 14 pages off N site on TSX carbs. and nothing on Drop. My I&T manual goes to page 39, should there be more pages? It appears to be home Xeroxed, so some pages may not be there. Phipps



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BillM (OH)

12-21-2007 19:36:42




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Phippsburgh, 12-21-2007 18:15:57  
My I&T FO4 has 146 pages of goodies plus another 6 blank pages for notes = 152 total, (© June 2002). Time to get a new one.



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Dean

12-21-2007 17:57:26




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 Re: Float drop on 8N carb. in reply to Phippsburgh, 12-21-2007 15:27:14  
Phipps:

Yes, indeed, there is.

Unfortunately, I cannot tell you what it is from memory but this is probably the single most common cause of flooding after a carburetor rebuild by either amateur or professional.

Though I cannot recite a specification to you, I can tell you what to avoid: The Y-shaped float in these old carburetors will wedge in the tapered float bowl if the float drops too far.

Though this will not normally cause problems when the engine is running due to the level of the fuel in the bowl and the vibration of the engine, it can and will cause problems when the tractor runs out of gas or if one intentionally runs the gas out of the carb when finished with the tractor by closing the fuel valve.

When the float contacts the tapered sides of the float bowl and there is no fuel flow into the bowl, the float may wedge against the float bowl sides when fuel next flows into the float bowl, i.e., when one replenishes the tank or next turns the fuel valve on.

The float drop adjustment, ignored by just about everyone, is intended to prevent this.

Vintage tractor engines need little fuel flow even at maximum output. Because of this, the float drop should be set not far from the conventional float adjustment.

If memory serves, the conventional float adjustment is 1/4" from the float gasket. Another 1/4" inch of float drop is more than enough.

There it is: More than you ever wanted to know about float drop.

Dean

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