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8N engine VS ford car engines?

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nut job

01-01-2008 11:27:48




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Hi-

I'll be rebuilding an 8n engine here fairly soon and want to get a bit more compression without going the oversized piston without a liner route, 7.5-8:1 would be fine, nothing over the top, but better matched to the 87 octane gas that is used today, but I've had little luck finding any tractor related products, would the car engine parts work?




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nut job

01-01-2008 18:52:42




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to Jason McL, 01-01-2008 11:27:48  

Ken(Ark) said: (quoted from post at 13:23:17 01/01/08) If you have a .090 sleeve (3.1875 piston) block , there is a .049 sleeve with a matching 3.270 piston.

You are already dealing with a flat top 6:1 or slightly domed 6.5:piston and not a dished piston so an automotive piston isn't going to add anything .

Like Soundguys said , working with the head is the biggest way to increase compression .


Took the head off, now I see the lack of space... Interesting, read somewhere, sound guy I think, about a supercharger built from a smog pump, was it serious?

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JimAg

01-01-2008 20:54:47




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to nut job, 01-01-2008 18:52:42  
The .050 thick (I.D. overbore) replacement sleeves come in a kit with pistons, rings, and pin, TISCO part # PK11(price $235.92). This is to replace the thick sleeve with .0825 oversize piston. If your block has .040 sleeves, you can bore it to take these new sleeves OR you can hone a cross-hatch pattern in your block and install the pistons in the block w/o sleeves at all. If you ever wear the block out, then bore it to take the sleeves and start over again. The pistons in the PK11 kit are 4-ring pistons-- I prefere a 3 ring piston just as some of the others suggested, so I have had no problem using the 4-ring piston and leave the bottom ring off the piston. I have a 2N with the .0825 pistons running in the block w/o sleeves and I left the bottom ring off each piston without a problem.

Jim

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Dunk

01-01-2008 18:58:50




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to nut job, 01-01-2008 18:52:42  
There have been many different engines that have has a smog pump supercharger added on.

Do a Google search for that.



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Hobo,NC

01-01-2008 17:59:17




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to nut job, 01-01-2008 11:27:48  
Make sure you have a 8n head,,,a 9N,2n head is rated a few less HP,,, go with 3 ring pistons,,, 4 ringers have more drag. Use .090 sleeves

If the block deck needs resurfacing install the sleeves first,,, if the deck is in good condition leave it B

Go to work on the head resurface it,,, theirs plenty of meat to grind for relief,,, I have not had valves hit'n the head but the piston will.

Relieve till with the head on the block with no gasket the pistons will not lift the head.

I run free rotating exhaust valves,,, PITA to set up,,, worth it to me,,, not for a beginner,,, Thales high dollar tools to git set up rite,, about 2 hours added to the job with the rite tools.

A good werk'n distributor is a must for optimum performance,,, if you don't know much about how the advance works,,, its money well spent to pay someone to set it up

You will benefit from 12Vs if you are look'in to git the most out of it.

Remove the air filter assay and unroll the wire mesh,,, git it clean and free flowing. Make sure the intake on the cleaner is as clean as a whisel. Its a tractor,,, werks in dirt,,, needs the oil bath filter.

Run a thermostat

Lots of folks run big tires,,, 11.2s are more than enuff

Run 134D fluid in the trans/diffy

Use 15/40 or 20/50 engine oil

Plenty of other things one could do if he had the knowledge,,, not worth it to me,,, I am the rabbit,,, till I git caught and passed

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Dunk

01-01-2008 18:25:53




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to Hobo,NC, 01-01-2008 17:59:17  
Hobo, just for conversation sake...

I guess yall could be right about my 4 rangers having more drag.

I also think that under a heavy load, like pulling my 5 tine all purpose plow thru GA clay sunk up to the hilt, and pulling a piece of railroad track split in half, that they have quite a bit more torque.

JMO.


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Ultradog MN

01-01-2008 19:15:18




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to Dunk, 01-01-2008 18:25:53  
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Not to hijack the thread here...
Dunk, I have just about that same tool.
Ford model 19-286
Restored it a couple of years ago.
It was red when I got it and had an 8" tree trunk growing out of it.
It's surprising how effective cultivators are at tillage. It looks like your field is ready to plant.

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Dunk

01-01-2008 19:21:00




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-01-2008 19:15:18  
That was last spring, right before I plowed all of the rotten chips in it.

I never seen so small a place grow so much as that did last year.

Check out garden here.



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Dunk

01-01-2008 18:30:54




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to Dunk, 01-01-2008 18:25:53  
She couldn't pull the whole piece of railroad track, that was the reason that I torched the bottom flange half off of it.



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Ken(Ark)

01-01-2008 12:23:17




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to nut job, 01-01-2008 11:27:48  
If you have a .090 sleeve (3.1875 piston) block , there is a .049 sleeve with a matching 3.270 piston.

You are already dealing with a flat top 6:1 or slightly domed 6.5:piston and not a dished piston so an automotive piston isn't going to add anything .

Like Soundguys said , working with the head is the biggest way to increase compression .



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Dean

01-01-2008 12:12:59




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to nut job, 01-01-2008 11:27:48  
NJ:

It's pretty hard to get much more than 6.5:1 from a flathead without seriously affecting breathing.

Sherman once made an aluminum head for Ns that provided (I believe) about 7.5:1 but these are made from unobtainium.

About the best you can do without time consuming piston/head interference machining and relieving the transfer area between the valves and bore is to use the slightly domed pistons rather than the flat-topped ones. This should result in about 6.5:1 and close to 30 HP.

Dean

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Brian Bell

01-01-2008 17:06:25




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to Dean, 01-01-2008 12:12:59  
Dean...like the unobtainium crack...that's great!!! First good laugh of the new year!!!



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souNdguy

01-01-2008 11:32:39




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 Re: 8N engine VS ford car engines? in reply to nut job, 01-01-2008 11:27:48  
guess you could play around with shaving the head and then relieving the areas around the valves... maybee dome pistons? check it with little dots of playdough or similar witht he head laying on the block with no gasket, rolling it over to see where you need more relief.. etc..
( not gonna get much increase.. but.. if you are just looking for a project.. )

soundguy



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