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R.G.M.

01-15-2008 14:03:38




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I agree with every one. We should buy here in the states, but what do we do insist that our supplyer only stocks made in the USA? And do we even make these parts in the states any more. I am with all of you when I trun off the fuel valve it would be nice if the fuel would stop flowing. How can we change this?




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Bob - MI

01-16-2008 09:27:30




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 Re: USA parts - long rant in reply to R.G.M., 01-15-2008 14:03:38  
As a guy who lives in the most depressed state in the country I feel like I can add a unique perspective to this.

High wages in the US as well as high costs of environmental compliance drove manufacturers off-shore and into Mexico. As these off-shore guys started to gain a footing they looked at the rest of out markets to see what else they could make.

Some of the parts that we use on tractors are not that complex to make and with the low volumes for spare parts most US manufacturers aren't interested in making them.

Tooling is often subsidised overseas and I have seen cases where a complete tool can be purchased and shipped in for less than we could buy the material for here in the states (aluminum die-casting tooling).

I have sold castings for most of my life and know that foundry products are prime targets for off-shore production. I have also seen cases where US manufacturers are held to very strict quality requirements while the off-shore plants don't have to comply. Last month in a quality related magazine that I get was an article that stated that we should be more tolerant of poor off-shore quality. This was because the manufacturer was being driven down so far in price that of course they would have to cut corners. If the guy who wrote this worked for me I would fire him on the spot for that kind of mentality.

Sorry for the rant but I often have people wanting us to sell parts for less than the CERTIFIED metal costs. The only saving grace here is that the weak dollar is making US prices more competitive.

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GB in MT.

01-16-2008 07:40:27




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 Re: USA parts in reply to Dunk, 01-15-2008 14:03:38  


Carl K;

You missed the point I was trying to relay. Now this is not a slur against you or anyone else, But..... If you had known how to take the leaking $15.00 sed. bowl apart and how it is supposed to work, you would have been able to dismantle and fix it.
Granted..... you should not have to do this, but..... that's the facts!!!!
I would almost bet, the leak was in the simple shutoff valve,packing gland, and all that is required to fix it is tighten up the nut behind the valve handle, to seat the packing gland. 3 min. job..... no leak!!!!!

V/R

Gary :)

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Hobo,NC

01-16-2008 10:48:52




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 Re: USA parts in reply to GB in MT., 01-16-2008 07:40:27  
I git my hole punch out,,, knock a 3/8" slug out of a old thick leather belt,,, use the dremel with the smallest chain saw sharpener stone and burn a hole threw the center,,, instant no leak'n shut off stem seal,,, sling the new hard as a rock seal in the trash,,, leather must b hard to come by off shore,,, I suspect thats what the OEM seal was made of.

Gas is extremely difficult to determin zackly were its leak'n from,,, could come from the fit'n were it goes into the tank,,, sediment bowl gasket,,, shut off stem,,, fuel line flair,,, They give me a fit,,,, compressed air and keep it dry till I can narrow it down,,, A dye would b nice

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Carl K

01-16-2008 07:16:55




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 Re: USA parts in reply to R.G.M., 01-15-2008 14:03:38  
Off the shelf sediment bowl shutoff from New Holland was foreign, cost about $15 and leaked. Returned it and ordered genuine New Holland for $23 and it works fine.



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GB in MT.

01-16-2008 05:49:32




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 Re: USA parts in reply to Dan 2N, 01-15-2008 14:03:38  

gahorN said: (quoted from post at 02:36:24 01/16/08)
Mark Pearce said: (quoted from post at 02:26:04 01/16/08) R.G.M,
I hate to say it but beware what you ask for. I hunted and hunted for a darn manifold made in USA until I think I found one. I paid top dollar for the thing and when it came in I was suspect it wasn"t from USA. The darn (Made In USA) writing was printed in the cast upside down. Then when I went to mount the thing I couldn"t even begin to get a nut onto the stud, much less a socket. I have been grinding on the thing and think I have it mountable now after four hours working on it. So now it can not only say Made In USA but also fitted in USA. I am a craftsman by trade and I have to say, Made in USA gaurantees nothing these days.

Mark....


There's a reason unscrupulous sellers claim (forge) "Made in U.S.A." It's because US-made parts are better than Chinease, (sic), etc. Seems you got a forgery.

As always,... know your supplier.


This being a "N" forum, I'll try to keep it "N", and this is the way I see this topic!!!

Parts needed, supplier, trust, and to be willing to understand the part I need.

Simple case in point: Butterfingers GB in MT. drops his very good, original,

manifold on the cement floor, in his workshop. DUH!!!! Clean up the, NOW three piece manny, and go directly to the phone. (can I build/manufacture, a new one?, can I fix the one I broke?. The answere is NO.) So I call a supplier, I KNOW I can trust to send me another Manifold.

Is it gonna be made in the U.S.A?, I very much doubt it!!!!

I get the new Manifold, and notice it is Made in Turkey. I slap it on the 2N, and it fits, does not leak, and works like it is supposed to.

On to the three oil gauges I had to buy just to get one that worked the way it is meant to work..... ....!!!!??? NUFF SAID, on that!!!!!
I could go on and on about other parts I have bought, from, "THE LAND OF ALMOST RIGHT".
The fact that I'm trying to make is: If we can learn how these parts work, and fix the probs. that came with them, we are gonna be ahead of the game!!!! If we do not learn how they work, and are not willing to fix them if we can, then we will NEVER get our "N"s to run.

This is the way our parts systems have evolved over the yrs. and all the venting in the world is NOT going to change it.!!!!

Learn your "N" parts, and find a supplier you can trust!!!!! !!!

JMHO

Gary :)

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gahorN

01-16-2008 01:36:24




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 Re: USA parts in reply to Sean (TX), 01-15-2008 14:03:38  

Mark Pearce said: (quoted from post at 02:26:04 01/16/08) R.G.M,
I hate to say it but beware what you ask for. I hunted and hunted for a darn manifold made in USA until I think I found one. I paid top dollar for the thing and when it came in I was suspect it wasn"t from USA. The darn (Made In USA) writing was printed in the cast upside down. Then when I went to mount the thing I couldn"t even begin to get a nut onto the stud, much less a socket. I have been grinding on the thing and think I have it mountable now after four hours working on it. So now it can not only say Made In USA but also fitted in USA. I am a craftsman by trade and I have to say, Made in USA gaurantees nothing these days.

Mark....


There's a reason unscrupulous sellers claim (forge) "Made in U.S.A." It's because US-made parts are better than Chinease, (sic), etc. Seems you got a forgery.

As always,... know your supplier.

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Mark Pearce

01-16-2008 01:26:04




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 Re: USA parts in reply to R.G.M., 01-15-2008 14:03:38  
R.G.M, I hate to say it but beware what you ask for. I hunted and hunted for a darn manifold made in USA until I think I found one. I paid top dollar for the thing and when it came in I was suspect it wasn"t from USA. The darn (Made In USA) writing was printed in the cast upside down. Then when I went to mount the thing I couldn"t even begin to get a nut onto the stud, much less a socket. I have been grinding on the thing and think I have it mountable now after four hours working on it. So now it can not only say Made In USA but also fitted in USA. I am a craftsman by trade and I have to say, Made in USA gaurantees nothing these days.


Mark....

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david heath

01-15-2008 18:28:20




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 Re: USA parts in reply to R.G.M., 01-15-2008 14:03:38  
i replaced the original proofmeter on my 8n.first one i got didnt work.(made in turkey) second one i got works great(made in india).



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vesta

01-15-2008 16:51:57




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 Re: USA parts in reply to R.G.M., 01-15-2008 14:03:38  
Today I tried to buy over $600. worth of parts from yesterdays tractors so I could support this website which I have been enjoying for years and was told they dont ship to Canada.



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Rob in Indiana

01-15-2008 16:10:08




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 Re: USA parts in reply to R.G.M., 01-15-2008 14:03:38  
are you REALLY willing to pay top dollar to buy parts that are USA made?

It all sounds good in theory but in reality will you buy a $300 USA made part if you had the chance to get same part for $75 made overseas.

There are some substandard parts floating around but also some very good stuff also. Just a matter of who you buy from.



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Bruce (VA)

01-15-2008 15:03:39




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 Re: USA parts in reply to R.G.M., 01-15-2008 14:03:38  
Well..... to be precise, the answer to your question goes to the very founding of the country: protective tariffs. We can insist that all imports have a huge tariff, which will then get our manufacturers back in business. Prior to the Civil War, about 95% of Federal government revenue came from import duties as a result of tariffs. Needless to say, times have changed a bit; NAFTA now promotes 'free trade' which means nearly everything that is manufactured is made out of this country. So, you can get a non-working piece of crap sediment bowl for $15, or you can get a working one for $15; it's all a matter of luck. But you will probably not get one no matter what the price made in the USA.

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