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Petersen

01-19-2008 13:09:33




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I have a 1941 9N that needs some motor work. After a couple weeks of diagnosing the engine needs valve work, the exhaust pushes back through the carb not allowing fuel to get to the engine. I really don't have to money to fix it and to do it right I should probably rebuild it completely.

Like I said it's a 1941 9N with a wagner loader and ferguson back blade. I have used it with no other problems up till now. So if i was to sell it in the current condition what would it be worth?

Thanks

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jon

01-19-2008 15:30:56




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 Re: Whats a 9N worth in reply to Petersen, 01-19-2008 13:09:33  

Dan in CO said:

Here is a process for freeing up stuck valves that was authored by GB in MT. I used it last fall and it really helped a bunch.


I used Gary's method a few days ago since I had to replace the exhaust manifold anyway. Figured it couldn't hurt to do a little extra cleaning in there & gaskets are cheap!

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Ken(Ark)

01-19-2008 15:17:46




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 Re: Whats a 9N worth in reply to Petersen, 01-19-2008 13:09:33  
You can get two valve cover gaskets at this good site for just a few bucks . Pull off your valve covers and see if you valves are all moving up and down or if one is stuck open , which is probably the problem and an easy fix .

You cant fix it till you know whats wrong . If all the valves work then try a compression check . You might just remove the plugs and stick your thumb over the holes one at a time to see which cylinder is the culprit . That will make it easier knowing which valves to look at closer . You might not have to do much disassemble on the carb and exhaust unless you just want to .

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Dan in CO

01-19-2008 15:15:34




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 Re: GB Dan in reply to Jason1(Pa.), 01-19-2008 13:09:33  

Colin King said: (quoted from post at 16:25:08 01/19/08) That's a nice write-up. Thanks for posting it.

Stay warm!

Colin


I'm just covering for Gary, he hasn't been feeling well & now has a computer assignment from his grandson. I'm not having any trouble staying warm (+35 here today) you probably need the advice more than me!
Hope to see you next time I get to MN.

Dan in CO

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Colin King

01-19-2008 15:48:15




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 Re: GB Dan in reply to Dan in CO, 01-19-2008 15:15:34  
You betcha, it's a little brisk. 2 below air temp at last check. But I'm content with a glass of a warming elixir on my desk and "A Prairie Home Companion" on the radio.

Colin



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Dunk

01-19-2008 14:37:58




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 Re: Whats a 9N worth in reply to Petersen, 01-19-2008 13:09:33  
Just like a horse, every penny you can get out of it.

All depends on who is selling, and who is buying.



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Bill from MO

01-19-2008 14:37:16




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 Re: Whats a 9N worth in reply to Petersen, 01-19-2008 13:09:33  
I also have a 41 9N that a couple of vales stuck open after setting for awhile. I was pondering on what I should do and someone on the forum suggested to remove the sparkplugs and puring some automatic transmmison fluid in each cylinder and spinnig the engine over and than letting it set for awhile. I did this and I reinstaled the plugs and pulled it with another tractor to get it running and it has run fine since.
Now if you have a burnt vale, then this remedy won't help.
Just my .02 worth.
Bill

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Dan in CO

01-19-2008 14:03:36




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 Re: Whats a 9N worth in reply to Petersen, 01-19-2008 13:09:33  
As Colin said, running well will make a big difference in value.

Here is a process for freeing up stuck valves that was authored by GB in MT. I used it last fall and it really helped a bunch. My engine runs real smooth where before I had a lot of bad stumbles in it.

Remove from engine:

1. Exhaust pipe

2. carb.

3. Manifold

4. spark plugs

5. side inspect. plates for valves

Tools you'll need:

1. thin, flat blade, slot screwdriver(long handle)

2. fairly long, phillips screwdriver (med. shank)

3. can of PB Blaster, or equivalent spray (with tube)

4. small mouth, needle nose pliers, or vise grips

5. small flashlight with strong light

Things to do(step by step.)

1. spray the valve stems with PB, or rust reducer lube. Also spray the valve heads through the s-plug holes (you can see the v-heads through them, thus the flashlight. Just give them a good spray, not a hole bunch.
Let the spray set about 15-20 min.

2. Go lft. to right on this, so you won't miss a valve.
Put the slot s-driver under the v-stem. While prying down lightly on the handle, keep working the valve up and down, until it works smooth all the way up and down.

While working the valve, periodically spray the area up and down the stem, also through the s-plug hole onto the valve top.

Do this, to every valve, then work in reverse and do them again.

The phillips head is to put into the s-plug hole, so you can help push down on the valve head, in case you should get a stubborn stuck valve.

3. After doing all the valves this way, spray tem down again, and let them set for about 30 min. Go get a cup of coffee, and a small stiff-brushed tooth brush.

4. Take the tooth brush, and scrub the valve springs real good with it. Spray valves again and immediately turn the engine over with the starter, KEY OFF.!!!! Do that about 3 times and you should have it done.

5. Put everything back together and cross your fingers, that the valves are all loosened up. ( I have done this 2x and it really seems to work good.)

BUTTON IT UP !!! You are done. Start it up and let it Idle for awhile. Listen closely for any clicking noise.
After running the engine for about three days time, the engine should smooth out. Always let the engine warm up, before revving, or driving. That give a border line OLD engine time to get the valves lubed.

Hope this works for you, it worked for me.!!!

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Petersen

01-20-2008 06:55:25




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 Re: Whats a 9N worth in reply to Dan in CO, 01-19-2008 14:03:36  
Thanks for the write-up. I will try that, I had the head off and you can see the valves are not sealing. Maybe I can lapp them and would help. Would like to rebuild and do it the right way but funding is low. The tractor is in good shape and worth the money for a rebuild.

Thanks



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Colin King

01-19-2008 14:25:08




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 GB Dan in reply to Dan in CO, 01-19-2008 14:03:36  
That's a nice write-up. Thanks for posting it.

Stay warm!
Colin



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Colin King

01-19-2008 13:46:43




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 Re: Whats a 9N worth in reply to Petersen, 01-19-2008 13:09:33  
In Minnesota, I'd say if it still runs and has power, you could ask $2,000. Doesn't run, $1,000.

Your location may vary.

I'm no expert ... but it sounds like you have a stuck valve. You can check that by removing the valve cover and watching the valves as the engine is turned over. Do all the valves fully close? If not, a good dose of automatic transmission fluid or Marvel Mystery Oil soak and a little tapping should solve your problem.

I'm guessing that there's a pretty simple and in-expensive fix.

Good luck - post back.

Colin, MN

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