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About those hydraulics...

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Nolan

06-01-1999 11:19:25




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Before I go off and try to rediscover the hydraulic wheel, I thought I might describe what's going on with my magical three point hitch, and seek some advise and suggestions.

I have a 51 8N, rather rough and tired machine. I put in a new (at least to me) hydraulic pump that looked fine. I think it was supposedly rebuilt. In any case, the valves and such all looked fine.

I've had the upper part of the hydraulics off, and honed the cylinder. It's a bit chewed up, but nothing horrible.

I do think I broke a thingie attempting to adjust my upper link spring tension. I should never have put that bar in it and tried to turn. When something went snap, I quit.

The problem is my hydraulics work when they want to, and how they want to.

The main problem is the hydraulics go up only when they feel like it. Sometimes it will respond immediately, sometimes it takes several minutes. If there's a ryme and reason to this, I haven't found it.

The second problem is it also has it's own unique opinion about what the lever position means. Half way up on the control lever can sometimes mean almost maximum lift, and other times it means drop to the ground.

It also has a unique way of lifting things. Sometimes it's rather smooth, and we settle right in at the target point and hold still. Other times we go sailing by, drop, pickup again, and tremblingly approach the steady position. It's like dealing with an excited puppy that's afraid it's going to be spanked.

For those of you that have had experiences like this, what did you find? What do you suggest?

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thanks! Nolan

06-02-1999 04:26:07




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 Re: About those hydraulics... in reply to Nolan, 06-01-1999 11:19:25  
Thanks for all the advise. I especially like the notion of moving my linkage directly through the access plate to determine if it really is something in my pump, or up top. Darn, why didn't I think of that?!

I broke my thingie while attempting to adjust the play on the big coil spring around my top link of the 3 point. Didn't use heat, foolishly hoping the internals were robust enough for me to twist the knuckle end. When something went "snap", I gave up in disgust, hoping all I'd lost was draft control. So the spring still rattles around out there.

No, I haven't gone back in, and no I haven't adjusted all the top end control springs and rods and such. So I do really have to do that as well. I will pay extra close attention to pins and cams and such, inspecting for wear. I'm pretty sure I've got wear in there.

Thanks again for all the advice.

And Bob, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying I need to completely strip down and play with my thingie? :^)

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bg

06-02-1999 04:30:01




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 Re: Re: About those hydraulics... in reply to thanks! Nolan, 06-02-1999 04:26:07  
Uh, Nolan, I think something was lost in translation.



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Jim

06-02-1999 03:38:30




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 Re: About those hydraulics... in reply to Nolan, 06-01-1999 11:19:25  
Agree with everything everyone has said here. I have just been into my NAA, the top link yoke has be loose at the spring for years and would not adjust. This threw the overide linkage off inside the cover. You have to apply heavy (red hot) heat to the yoke end, the threads of the rod run well past the end of the spring into the yoke. I also broke a "thingie" off, it turned out to be the pin that goes thru the triangular plate that is on the tractor side of your spring, its purpose it to keep that rod from rotating and twisting the spring rod mechanism attached to it. It is a simple pin pressed into the plate, I am going to turn the end of it off, press it back in and spot weld the end of it in the plate. The threads of that adjusting rod and yoke will go back togather with plenty of never seize!

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EricG.NH

06-01-1999 13:54:43




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 Re: About those hydraulics... in reply to Nolan, 06-01-1999 11:19:25  
Nolan,
IMO all of the symptoms point to a loose,worn or broken "thingie" in the lift cover. Speaking of which, can you describe what part you actually were adjusting? I would try operating the lift and watching the action of the control rod through the right inspection cover as the touch control lever is moved. Try it in position control. Then try moving the control rod manually. My guess is the lift will rise and lower fine this way. If this is the case then the linkage in the lift cover needs work. Eric

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bg

06-01-1999 16:26:50




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 Re: Re: About those hydraulics... in reply to EricG.NH, 06-01-1999 13:54:43  
Try removing the cover again and inspecting the various linkages, springs, and other thingies you find in there. Completely disassemble the control springs and control rod and see if you can get it freed up so it can be adjusted. Make sure the pins and bolts that hold the linkages together are not worn out, especially the cam and the swivel. Adjust the small draft comtrol and position control springs to spec. Adjust quadrant to get the proper motion from the control arm.

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Michael B

06-01-1999 16:38:42




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 Re: Re: Re: About those hydraulics... in reply to bg, 06-01-1999 16:26:50  
Remember too, that even though the linkage might appear to be working, there is a cam action involved in the control lever at the top. This often freezes due to moisture collecting on it and it not being in an oil bath like everything else. I know, it happened to me, and I had several of the same symptoms. I took the whole lid to an old Ford mechanic (in every sense) and he put his finger right on it. It took us several hours of heat and force it free it up but the difference was amazing. Good luck.

Michael B
Sandhill Grove

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