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8N won't stay running.

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E.S.Blofeld

01-25-2008 10:43:50




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I have a '49 8N which I have been working on. I changed it to 12V, new plugs, wires, coil, points, carb, etc.

I got everything worked out and managed to get it started with a little coaxing. Just as I was starting to feel pretty good about things, it died. This was after about 30 seconds of running pretty good. Then she wouldn't start back up. I noticed a little bit of bluish/blackish smoke out of the muffler, but attributed it to being old/sitting for a long time/needing to fine tune the new carb.

Any obvious reasons it would run for 30 seconds then die? Starting to feel a bit frustrated here...

Thanks.

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John in Mich

01-25-2008 12:55:58




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 10:43:50  
I've got one similar right now. An 8N with side distributor 6 volt. It had 2 fouled plugs and a carb float stuck open when I bought it. It climbed onto the trailer like that.
I put in 4 new plugs and replaced the TSX 33 carb float and valve and gaskets ASAP. Now it only starts with stating fluid into carb air intake and runs for 5 seconds (I don't like running any length of time on starting fluid) Gas flow is good and there is gas in the carb bowl when I took it back off. I'm wondering what I'm not seeing when I have the carb apart.

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9NJoe

01-25-2008 11:48:45




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 10:43:50  
Ernst Stavro,

check the fuel flow. If the tank vent is blocked. She donna run too good.

Joe



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Peter, Covington, LA

01-25-2008 11:48:25




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 10:43:50  
There are 3 main things that are likely to be the problem.

(1) Do this first because it's easiest. Get yourself a large (gallon) can and remove the plug from the bottom of the carb, catching the gas in the can. If you can fill the can 3/4 or more with a strong flow of gas that doesn't reduce to a trickle, then you haven't got a gas flow problem (although you MIGHT have an internal problem in the carb - less likely).

(2) Find an old spark plug, open its gap to extra-wide, attach one of your plug wires to it, lay it on the head, and crank. You should see a STRONG BLUE spark. If you do, you have eliminated 99 percent of the possible ignition problems, the other percent being mis-timing (unlikely).

(3) And, do this after the other two- buy or borrow a compression tester. Remove all 4 spark plugs, and test the compression in each cylinder while cranking through at least a couple of compression strokes for each. The readings should be reasonably close to each other, and be over at least 60 or 70 pounds. If not, you probably have sticking valves.

To recap - (fuel) + (spark) + (compression) = 99% certainly a running engine.

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E.S.Blofeld

01-25-2008 11:15:48




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 10:43:50  
I did replace the condenser, as well as the coil (12V), and actually the ignition switch as well. It continues to turn over, but won't go even with starter fluid sprayed directly in the carb.
I had re-wired it with the 12V conversion and quadruple checked the wiring.

The stop was pretty much a sudden stop, it didn't really sputter and slowly die.

I also replaced the fuel line from the tank to the carb.

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Dell (WA)

01-25-2008 11:39:11




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 11:15:48  
Blofeld..... ...ya write..... .."It continues to turn over, but won't go even with starter fluid sprayed directly in the carb"..... ..thats a sparkie problem, ain't it?? Sudden stop is ELECTRICAL. Loose wire connections being prime culpert. But don't discount yer new points slipping closed. The SHORT #8-32x3/16" points screw gitts invisible wear and won't hold. ($50c, cheap)

Replace yer FLOODED SPARKIES with new dry Autolite 437's gapped 0.025". Why? 'cuz them center electrodes gitt invisible contaminates from no-lead gasoline and won't jump the sparkie gap..... ....Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Dell (WA)

01-25-2008 11:04:50




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 10:43:50  
Blofeld..... ...you replaced yer condenser didn't ya? Even NEW condensers can be BAD rite outta the box. General runtime with bad condenser is about 1-min and then a gradual crapout, not a sudden stop. Will generally restart innna'bout 15-mins. Unless you've FLOODED yer engine trying to re-start, inwhichcase REPLACE yer sparkies first.

Generally, sudden stops are loose electrical connections and you just replace yer wiring didn't you???

Generally, sudden stops are NOT carburetor problems altho empty tanks and turned-off fuel valves have been known to stop engine running. Yer right, bluish-blackish muffler smoke is generally miss-adjusted carb..... ...Dell

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Brian Bell

01-25-2008 10:57:31




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 10:43:50  
What type of coil did you use? Was it a 12V coil or a 6V coil. If you used a 6V coil on a 12V system, you probably killed it, thus the no run situation. Will it fire even though it won't run? If no fire, check ignition switch (very failure prone) by jumpering across it. If switch is not the problem, I would lean toward a broken wire in dist, bad coil, or wiring problem going to coil. Get out a voltmeter and start checking for voltage all the way thru the electrical system.

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Tiny-t

01-25-2008 10:56:35




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 Re: 8N won't stay running. in reply to E.S.Blofeld, 01-25-2008 10:43:50  
I'm new to this, but had the EXACT same problem when I bought mine, Mine was the fuel switch going into the tank was restricted, let enough gas down to fill the carb, and walah, it start up and run, 30 seconds, then she'd sit a couple minutes(enough time for more to trickle down and fill the carb) and it would do the same thing. Basically, your NOT getting enough fuel down to the carb, just my guess!

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