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Thoughts and what year this 8N is ??

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Osweld

01-30-2008 13:52:11




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Looked at another today, the guys father owned it . Not sure what year it is but it has a side dist. but the tranny dipstick is on the left side and the pto and hyd lever is on the right.

I tried to read the ser # and it looks like 3377588 or the last number may be a B not really sure. Then a star at the end

the lift arms are missing but the paint is nice and been re-painted, Trac-O Lite headlights 6 volt. He started at 3K but would take less. New rear tires looks like the block may have been welded but a nice job.

The govenour doesnt seem to work properly as when you are moving and put in the clutch it doesn't slow the motor. Right brake doesn't work and the motor seem to have a skip at all speeds.

Curious as to the year but I will probably pass but interested to hear your thoughts !

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OKDAD

01-30-2008 22:45:30




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Bob in La., 01-30-2008 13:52:11  

osweld said: (quoted from post at 21:24:48 01/30/08)
That said I do feel I should pass on this at the price he is asking. What would the problem with the governer be that it doesnt seem to slow down the motor when you push in the clutch ?


Most likely balls in governor have flat spots.

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osweld

01-30-2008 19:32:34




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
what is that big spring behind the seat for ?? Not all 8n's have them do they ??



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Dell (WA)

01-30-2008 20:35:37




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to osweld, 01-30-2008 19:32:34  
Osweld..... ...ALL N-Tractors have that BIG SPRING behind their butt-buckett. It is the heart of the ingenious 3-point hydraulic draught control. The draft auto-magically controls the depth of the moldboard plow, slightly raising or lowering the plow for drag-resistance thru the soil. Why is this important? Too little draft, not enuff tire traction and spinning tires, TOO MUCH draft and yer stalled in the dirt, spinnin' tires.

The 3-point hydraulic draft control, transfers draft (drag) into traction enhancing weight without adding weight to the tractor.

What makes the 8N different from the 9N/2N's is 8N's have that "flush" handle under yer right kneesie. Its called position control, UP fer constant 3-point height like brushhoggin'; down (horizontal) for draft control as used in plowing.

Why is this important? LAW SUIT. Harry Ferguson sued Henry Ford after they split the blanked over the "handshake deal"; claiming patent infringement. $9-million worth of fringes. Ford tractor engineers devised the "position control" to make the hydraulic 3-point "different" and therefore NOT a patent infringement. Henry Ford really loved lawyers (NOT)..... .Dell

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Dunk

01-30-2008 18:31:14




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Dan in CO, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  

osweld said: (quoted from post at 23:24:48 01/30/08) Yup John Smith just e-mailed me and said the covers were just switched and the pto lever will work on either side no problem. Questioned answered, thanks Mr Smith !
That said I do feel I should pass on this at the price he is asking. What would the problem with the governer be that it doesnt seem to slow down the motor when you push in the clutch ?


If John Smith said it, I believe it.

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osweld

01-30-2008 18:24:48




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
Yup John Smith just e-mailed me and said the covers were just switched and the pto lever will work on either side no problem. Questioned answered, thanks Mr Smith !

That said I do feel I should pass on this at the price he is asking. What would the problem with the governer be that it doesnt seem to slow down the motor when you push in the clutch ?



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Sean (TX)

01-30-2008 18:21:21




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to 8N'r--WI, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
You mean this spring?

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osweld

01-30-2008 18:41:58




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Sean (TX), 01-30-2008 18:21:21  
yup thats the spring



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Dunk

01-30-2008 18:10:00




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to soundguy, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  

ToMater said: (quoted from post at 22:39:43 01/30/08) Osweld, I do believe that it would be possible to swap the inspection covers and everything work just fine. I'm certain that everyone will agree that the right cover that has the dipstick in it, could fit on the left side with no problem. I think the same holds true for the PTO/ hydraulic engaging lever. It's basically moving a part back and forward, and that part is on the centerline of the housing, so why wouldn't it work on the opposite side. It was made to be handicap friendly and we all overlooked it. The lift control lever has to stay on the right side as I believe it is on the tractor your looking at.


At this point!!!

I am running with, ToMater!!!

I am still so confused that I have NO opinion.

osweld seems to know what he is tellin' us.

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ToMater

01-30-2008 17:39:43




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Dunk, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
Osweld, I do believe that it would be possible to swap the inspection covers and everything work just fine. I'm certain that everyone will agree that the right cover that has the dipstick in it, could fit on the left side with no problem. I think the same holds true for the PTO/ hydraulic engaging lever. It's basically moving a part back and forward, and that part is on the centerline of the housing, so why wouldn't it work on the opposite side. It was made to be handicap friendly and we all overlooked it. The lift control lever has to stay on the right side as I believe it is on the tractor your looking at.

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Sean (TX)

01-30-2008 17:36:48




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Dunk, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
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osweld

01-30-2008 17:57:55




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Sean (TX), 01-30-2008 17:36:48  
Ok I will try and get pics but someone is gonna owe me a hot dog when you see them,lol



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osweld

01-30-2008 18:12:49




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to osweld, 01-30-2008 17:57:55  
just got thinking again.. does the 9n or 2n have controls like I mentioned ? Or are they the same as an 8 ? This also has a large spring between the lift shafts do all 8N's have this ??

I called the guy to ask him if I could get soem pics



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Gary Pulkka

01-30-2008 16:35:35




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to MikeT, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
Star on serial # started 51 partway through the year I t has cast sleeves .090 thick. look arou d starter shoud say 8 No B in serial # n- B Or C C indicates 52? Lift arms if it had them would be smooth. not sharp on top.
Osweld said: (quoted from post at 22:52:11 01/30/08) Looked at another today, the guys father owned it . Not sure what year it is but it has a side dist. but the tranny dipstick is on the left side and the pto and hyd lever is on the right.
I tried to read the ser # and it looks like 3377588 or the last number may be a B not really sure. Then a star at the end
the lift arms are missing but the paint is nice and been re-painted, Trac-O Lite headlights 6 volt. He started at 3K but would take less. New rear tires looks like the block may have been welded but a nice job.
The govenour doesnt seem to work properly as when you are moving and put in the clutch it doesn't slow the motor. Right brake doesn't work and the motor seem to have a skip at all speeds.

Curious as to the year but I will probably pass but interested to hear your thoughts !

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1951 8N

01-30-2008 17:50:41




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Gary Pulkka, 01-30-2008 16:35:35  
"Star on serial # started 51 partway through the year I t has cast sleeves .090 thick. look arou d starter shoud say 8 No B in serial # n- B Or C C indicates 52? Lift arms if it had them would be smooth. not sharp on top."

Gary Pulkka, You have it backwards. If it has a star at the beginning and end of the serial number it means that it has the .040" steel sleeves. If it has a diamond at the beginning and end of the serial number it means that it has the .090" cast iron sleeves. You will only see the diamond on 8N's with a serial number after 433578. All earlier models have the stars.

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Osweld

01-30-2008 16:31:12




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
Ok Ba@@ bustin time is over fellas,lol I realize I misspoke in the one post so a thousand pardons !

Now lets get to the heart of the question. It has an 8N motor and sheet metal. Or as far as I see it it does. It has 8N wheels front and rear.

The ONLY thing that doesn't look right is the tranny dipstick is on the left side while sitting on the tractor. the hyd lever and pto lever are both on the right side while on the tractor.

I operated the lift and PTO and all work as they should. The tranny oil level reads full. It is a 6 volt system. Side mount distributor.It has an amp gage, tach, oil psi gage and light switch.

There is a small plate on the right side of the engine with like patten numbers on it. The plate is mounted forward of the steering box kinda under the battery.

I knew the guys Dad who owned itand he had it for years. This guy had it stripped and painted. They did a nice job. He payed a sign painter to do the red script on the fenders and hood.

His knowledge on tractors is far less than mine ( if thats possible) he sold houses for years. His Dad died about 10 yrs ago at 84.

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GB in MT.

01-30-2008 16:18:51




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Dunk, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  


Osweld;

This is the way the controls were made to work on the "N" series tractor.
The PTO on/off control lever should be on the lft. side by your left heel, while sitting in the seat facing forward!

The hydol. dip stick should be on the right side by your right heel, while sitting on the seat facing forward.!

The hdrolics 3 pt. hitch up/down control lever should be on the right side by your hip/waist, while setting on the seat.!

If there is any other way to configure those contols, so as to have the PTO and 3 pt. lift work as original, I have NEVER heard or seen it.!!!

Not trying to be a wise butt. Just trying to help you understand this!!!

Gary :)

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Osweld

01-30-2008 16:32:37




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to GB in MT., 01-30-2008 16:18:51  
I DO know how the levers are supposed to be this is why I questioned this one !



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ToMater

01-30-2008 16:18:35




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Dunk, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
I think you outa buy it, sounds like all that's wrong with it is the seats on backwards. :lol:



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jon

01-30-2008 16:04:01




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Hobo,NC, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  

Osweld said: (quoted from post at 19:55:35 01/30/08) SO.. is it possibel that yo can swith the dip and pto lever and the pto functions properly ?? Maybe this is what they did. Again the pto and hyd work fine as they should. With the pto lever to the rear the lift doesnt work, pto to the front lift works fine !


We need Zane Sherman on this, he's a good Fergie & hydro man.

I'm interested to hear cause I never heard of it before either.

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jon

01-30-2008 16:00:26




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  

Osweld said: The pump is quiet too but the dip stick is on the right when sitting on the tractor and the pto and hyd lever are on the left.


This is what confused us.... :wink:



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Dan in CO

01-30-2008 15:55:29




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
Osweld;

The best way to clear tis up is to get a photo of this tractor and post it here. I don't suppose it really is a Fergie is it? maybe with Ford sheetmetal?



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Osweld

01-30-2008 15:55:35




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
SO.. is it possibel that yo can swith the dip and pto lever and the pto functions properly ?? Maybe this is what they did. Again the pto and hyd work fine as they should. With the pto lever to the rear the lift doesnt work, pto to the front lift works fine !



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jon

01-30-2008 15:40:11




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
Gary beat me to it, I'm confused too!



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GB in MT.

01-30-2008 15:38:15




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to JMOR, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  


I'm really confused here.!!!!

Your prior post said you sat on the seat and that the dipstick was on the lft. ,and the pto lever was on the right.

Now you say, the pto lever is on the lft and the dipstick is on the right, which is the way it should be!!!, while setting on the seat!!!

I give up.

Gary :roll:



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Osweld

01-30-2008 15:52:19




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to GB in MT., 01-30-2008 15:38:15  
Sorry I did mis speak the first post described it tranny dip on left, both levers on right, sorry ! this is while sitting on the tractor.

Again keep in mind nothing appears cobbed up on this tractor, Wheels, radius rods, engine all look as they should



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Osweld

01-30-2008 15:47:29




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to GB in MT., 01-30-2008 15:38:15  
PLEASE take the time to re-read. The tranny dip stick IS on the left but its supposed to be on the right, correct ?

Also both the hyd lift lever and the pto lever are on the righ. Now the hyd lever is correct right ? But the PTO lever should be on the left correct ?

The pump works fine as I clearly stated.

GB you said " the hyd lift control arms and dip stick are on the wrong sides" But if you read what I posted the hyd lift arm IS on the right side that is where it should be right ?

Let me make this crystal clear... The tranny dip stick is on the left side while sitting on the tractor, it shouldn't be I know but it is and reads full.

Both the hyd lift lever and the pto lever are on the right side while sitting on the tractor and both work and operate as they should.

19518N said it " is not possible" well it is and I saw it and operated it ! Now what is it ??

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John in Mich

01-30-2008 15:35:50




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
There could be any number of reasons why the inspection/dipstick plate and the hyd/pto lever were on the "wrong" sides. Was the pump removed and covers just "stuck" on to close it up. Was this really a mule and a seller hoped to make someone believe it was a functioning hyd. 8N all there. Was there a problem with the hyd. and someone unfamiliar with it put them back on.
Whatever the reason, my offer would reflect what I want and what I know about it. For me, that tractor is not much unless it has really fabulous sheetmetal and/or 4 new tires or I desperately needed an engine or trans. hth

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GB in MT.

01-30-2008 15:12:39




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to soundguy, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  


Osweld;

Youn say the lift arms are missing???? I think there is a good chance that the hydrolic pump, is not even in the butt of that "N".
Too many things don't jibe. The hyd. lif control arm and the dip stick is on the wrong sides.
I would run not walk away from that mess. !!!!! !!

I would not even spend the time to talk with the guy. Something ain't right here!!!!! !

Sound like a scam!!!!! ?????

Gary :shock: :shock:

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Osweld

01-30-2008 15:33:21




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to GB in MT., 01-30-2008 15:12:39  
also the hyd lift control is supposed to be on the right correct ? Its the PTO lever and the tranny dip stick that are reversed right ?? It must have come that way no way anyone could make that change and have it look like a factory job. Would it be an 9N rear or something ?

I would bet there is an simple answer...



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Osweld

01-30-2008 15:27:23




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to GB in MT., 01-30-2008 15:12:39  
naw I dont think its a scam, the guy is a local and I knew his dad, he had this tractor a long time.

They took the lift arms off when it was professional painted. I stood on the arms that are still there, maybe these are called the lift arm not sure but the long 3 point arms that would conect to a back balde are gone.

The two arms are there that come off the lift shafts. I stood on them with the PTO ingauged ( it has a pto cover on it) and the lift picked me up and down no problem.

I weigh about 200 pounds. The pump is quiet too but the dip stick is on the right when sitting on the tractor and the pto and hyd lever are on the left.

Nothing is cobbed on the cases or anything so im not sure . It has the orignal headlights script hood and fenders...

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Hobo,NC

01-30-2008 18:06:53




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 15:27:23  
Standing on the lift arms and it pic'n up your lard arse don't prove nuttin,,, its a leverage thang,,, you need a heavy implement like a 5 ft bush hog,,, now put yer lard arse on the tail of it and see if it will pick up,,, bet the pump will let ya know its have'n to go to werk.

Me I'm 215/220 or so,,, depends on iffin I am a Quart low are 1 over,,, always weigh fer I go leave one,,, never take one,,,, so iffin I fall in they will know how much to dip out...

I mite b possible to install the PTO leaver on backerds,,, the angle of the dangle mite B out but the PTO support would not care,,, It sets directly in the center of the tractor so it would werk for Lefty's are rightys,,, you can shift the PTO in gear and throw away the shift leaver,,, the shift leaver has nuttin to do with it staying engaged if all is well with the PTO support and PTO shaft,,, can you disengage the PTO

I would be rite interested in if the PTO shift leaver had some righting on it like made by some company in England,,, I got this Howard thang on my mind,,, is the engine a Flathead,,, NO valve cover,,, zackly were is the distributor mounted on the engine,,, I see the axle thang,,, really don't tell alot,,, parts can b swapped form a fergi to a N,,, transmission back,,, no engine parts will bolt up

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osweld

01-30-2008 18:50:21




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Hobo,NC, 01-30-2008 18:06:53  
No writin on the lever and the pto engauges and disengauges fine. John Smith said they probably jsut switched the covers, thats all. The motor is an 8N motor, yes flat head, distrib is on the right side, yop side mount.



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1951 8N

01-30-2008 14:24:20




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
To determine left and right you should be sitting on the tractor. It is not possible for the hydraulic dipstick to be on the left and the PTO lever to be on the right when sitting on the seat. What I think you"re looking at there is a 1950 8N. 1950 starts at serial number 245637. Also the 8N serial numbers start with 8N. Sight unseen I would value that tractor, based on your description between $1,500 and $2,000. Keep looking and you will find a very nice tractor for what that guy wants.

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Osweld

01-30-2008 14:41:51




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to 1951 8N, 01-30-2008 14:24:20  
well it is possible because I was sitting on it and the dip stick is on my left while on it and the pto and hyd lever are on the right.. What is it ???



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Osweld

01-30-2008 14:15:30




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
yea I thought so too. I wish i could find one soon. i would like to spend about 1500 for a good runner, I dont care about the paint. I know where there is one for 2k that runs good with bad paint so ???



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Hobo,NC

01-30-2008 18:16:35




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 14:15:30  
Paint'n is the fun part,,, its all that rub'n it takes to git it ready to paint,,,, I don't care for



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CT8N

01-30-2008 16:11:59




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 14:15:30  
From your posts. This is stronger than Dunk's drinks. I need some.
"The pump is quiet too but the dip stick is on the right when sitting on the tractor and the pto and hyd lever are on the left".
Let me make this crystal clear... "The tranny dip stick is on the left side while sitting on the tractor, it shouldn't be I know but it is and reads full".

"Both the hyd lift lever and the pto lever are on the right side while sitting on the tractor and both work and operate as they should".

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Elvin Frank

01-30-2008 14:06:22




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 Re: Thoughts and what year this 8N is ?? in reply to Osweld, 01-30-2008 13:52:11  
Run fast and far, there are too many with complete lift systems and unwelded blocks to spend 3000 on one like that, year is between 50 to 52



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