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philm

02-05-2008 11:43:33




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I intend to expand my vegetable garden this year. What methods have you found effective to keep the animals away?
For the deer, I am considering some kind of spray or fence.
For the rabbits, maybe 24" chicken wire.
What works for you?




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Coaly

02-08-2008 08:34:23




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
Double 4 foot high wire fence works with them about 3 to 4 feet apart. They will go right over a single 4 foot, but if you put up a bunch of stakes with a rope or other visable line strung around the top on an inner one, again 3 to 4 feet inside the first fence, they can't jump that far and high at the same time. This year I'm doubling the size of mine with the addition of the 8N to plow, so I picked up an electric fencer from TSC. Planning on extending the fence posts over the 4 foot original fence about 3 feet with two rows of electric wire above it. Need to be sure you have a strong enough fencer for deer. They require 5,000 volts, so a small cheaper fencer for controlling horses and cows isn't enough. Plan on about 80 bucks for the fencer alone. Another 20 for the wire and insulators goes about 100 ft. square. Fencer is capable to run miles, also protects wild blueberries and other vegitation within the area. Amazing how well the native vegatation does without constantly being chewed down. N.E. PA , we're over run here.

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Balatonm

02-06-2008 08:25:40




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
Shotgun, 22 rifle, take your pick



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JimSC

02-06-2008 08:14:24




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
I plant 300 foot strips of clover in the fall and field peas in the spring, about 200 feet from the garden. Deer generally eat there instead of coming closer to the house where the garden is located. I also have a corn feeder and mineral block on the other side of the house.

With coyotes, hawks and roaming dogs, we have lost our rabbits years ago and that's too bad.



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jon

02-06-2008 07:56:52




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
I've had some success with stringing old videotape all across the garden & using old CD's cause they "glimmer". The tape actually works better on keeping crows out of the corn but it moves so easily in the slightest breeze that it may be keeping deer out too. Like someone said, they'll get used to it over time & hit it anyway.



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BillM (OH)

02-05-2008 21:16:05




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
My garden is pretty small (100X60) & fenced at 6' high - deer do not jump it because I believe they don't think they can jump back out of the small space. If you have a big garden, you have to go up with the fence and the add more on a 45 degree out angle & they won't jump that either. 165 acre orchard down the road has done that & it keeps'em out - they get in under the 45 degree angle fence on top and quit. He claims even the turkeys get in under there and don't even try to fly in - not sure about that.....

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Bruce (VA)

02-06-2008 05:08:53




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to BillM (OH), 02-05-2008 21:16:05  
It's because deer can jump high, and they can jump wide, but they can not do both at the same time!



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Upper Peninsula,MI.

02-05-2008 16:30:17




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
For those that belong to Quality Deer Mgt. Association refer to the Feb. issue of the magazine, page 72 for a very good article on Defensive Food Plotting. I don't know if the magazine is available at book stores, but should be in most Library's. Their design of electric fence worked. Good luck. Ron



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Dean

02-05-2008 14:10:16




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
I agree with the other posters: You will not effectively keep the deer away from a garden without an 8' fence or a very good dog.

I ceased gardening about 15 years ago largely for this very reason.

Dean



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Colin King

02-05-2008 12:56:59




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
Plant extra for the deer, and get another freezer (also for the deer).

As others have mentioned, a high fence is going to be your best option, if your garden is small enough.

For our commercial garden, we"ve had luck with the smaller animals by keeping a wide swath cleared around the perimeter of the field.

We also use "Hot Pepper Wax." We apply with a backpack sprayer. It needs to be reapplied after any rain or irrigation.

I think that the trick to the repellents is to recognize that they are not preventatives. They are deterrents. Animals get used to them if they are over-used. Use them sparingly, and only when you have a harvestable crop that is at risk. Spray your broccoli only when the heads are maturing, for example.

Colin, MN

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valhallareject

02-05-2008 12:35:09




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
Seems like nothing works 100% of the time but the most common "fix" is a nice high, sturdy fence around the entire perimeter of your endeavor. If the deer are hungry enough though they will challenge the fence along its entire lenght until they find a way in. Deer are a lot like electricity and water.....they are persistant and they will find a path. Folks in these parts have tried dogs, scare crows, carbide cannons, tin foil pie plates tied eveywhere.....and the fact of the matter is.....once the deer see (or hear) anything long enough..they eventually determine if it isn"t alive its no real threat. Physical barriers are the only way.....and they require maintenance.....and gates.....and money. Good luck.

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Dunk

02-05-2008 12:12:33




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
I have a yard full of mutt dogs.



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Bruce (VA)

02-05-2008 12:06:46




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 Re: O.T. deer, rabbits, gardens in reply to philm, 02-05-2008 11:43:33  
Depending on the availability of natural foods, deer will eat just about anything if they get hungary enough & nothing short of a physical barrier will keep them out. One year, they even ate my okra! I've tried it all over the years; the one thing that worked most of the time was Milorganite; it is composted sewage sludge & smells like....well, you get the idea. Even that did not stop the deer two years ago, and besides, I'm not so sure I want that, ahhhh, stuff in my garden.

Do not waste your money on any spray, none of it works. If they are hungary, they will eat it. Peeing in the garden, dogs, human hair.....none of it worked.

Two things did work for me.

I've got rolls of old fencing; I lay it flat on the ground beside the crops the deer are eating. It works because the deer do not walk on it. A one strand electric fence works, baited w/ peanut butter. Take a piece of tin, put it in a "V", fill it w/ peanut butter & hang it on the fence. Make sure you have it all in working order, then turn it on. Bambi sticks his nose in the peanut butter & gets zapped.

Short of that, it is a big tall fence or a shotgun.

We do not have a problem w/ rabbits; we have a pair of Red Tail Hawks in the area & the neighbors have cats.

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