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Britcheflee

02-07-2008 10:03:09




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Just got a card through the mail to remind me that our dog is due to renew shots and heartworm.

In small print at the bottom it states that now, 'By law' you have to have an annual exam before the vet will dispense any medication.

Just got off the phone after a long conversation with a knowledgeable young lady at the vets office as I wanted to voice my displeasure about the fact that now, rather than going in to buy heartworm tablets etc (and getting rabies shot which is required to renew licence) and being done with it I now have to pay for an 'examination' (which comprises of looking at eyes, teeth and sticking a thermometer up the dogs bum) before I can get the medication to look after my dog.

My issue is not with the cost but the principle of being forced to pay for something really not necessary. I told the girl I bet the vets paid for a lobbyist to push this law through on the back of something else and that, in fact it may have a detremental effect on pets as people with little income may baulk at paying for the 'exam'. Of course she started to equate it with me going to the doctor and getting medication.

Whilst I love my dog it is still an animal and trying to equate taking it to the vet as being the same as me going to the doctor in my opinion does not hold water.
Anyway, I was told that I could not get heartguard without going through a vet....if I were to order on line it would have to go through the vet for approval...is this right? Can I get pet meds on line delivered to my door?

It is not a matter of money (the exam is only about $35) it is the fact that I HAVE to do this 'by law' before I can give my dog the medication it needs to remain healthy.

Lee

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Jim Spencer

02-07-2008 21:29:45




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
A year ago, Newsweek featured a young boy brandishing an AK-47 on its cover for the story on "Iraq’s Young Blood." For the Newsweek articleand this article for MSNBC, I warned that the millions of disengaged, out of school children in Iraq have created a fertile recruiting ground for extremists groups. After my service as a Captain in the Army’s 1st Armored Division, I returned to Baghdad to attempt to address these haunting problems:

- 40% of Iraq’s 25 million people are under 14 years old and 61% are under 25 years old, compared to the US where less than 35 % are under 25 years.


- Iraq’s Ministry of Education estimates that only 30% of the 3.5 million Iraqi elementary-age kids are attending school now, down from 75%, as hundreds of teachers and students were killed in the sectarian violence.


- Billions of dollars are being on reconstruction, but very little, if any money is focused on youth development.

In Iraq, 12 to15 year olds are being paid less than $3 a day to build roadside bombs in places like Sadr City. Children are being used as look-outs and trigger men for insurgent attacks. Iraq’s children are being trained in military tactics instead of being trained to rebuild their culture and society.

I decided to run for Congress after working in Washington for over two years developing real solutions like work study programs and crafting an international youth policy to bring these issues to Capitol Hill and the State Department Unfortunately, Washington didn’t listen to our pleas.

Washington’s broken politics have led to a serious deterioration of our national security and has led to the situation in the Middle East where 10 years olds are being trained as the Junior Mujahadeen. This continued short sighted vision fails to see the long term consequences of our policies that are creating a generation of young men and women who are being trained to hate America.

We had an opportunity to engage Iraq’s children in programs of positive development which would enable millions of young people to be a part of a prospering society. Poor post invasion planning and execution wasted that opportunity. Now, instead of training the future of Iraq to use tools to rebuild their country, they are being trained to use weapons to destroy it.

If this does not change we will be fighting these children-turned-adults for generations to come. The cycle of war will continue unabated.

The 2008 election represents an opportunity to change this cycle of destruction by supporting candidates who will work to reform how we approach our national security.

Iraqi youth face a monumental challenge in the months and years and decades to come, as they strive to overcome a shared childhood plagued by violence. Along the way, they will face numerous decisions about where to place their allegiance as their country struggles to rebuild itself after decades of tyranny and now occupation. Extremists have a head start in recruiting Iraq’s future generations to be part of the current struggle, but it is not too late to alter history. The future of Iraq, and of the region, and of our country depends to a large degree on the opportunities that young men and women will have to help shape their country’s development.

As an Iraq War veteran, I have seen firsthand the consequences of our failed approach to national security and I pledge to you that I will reform it. I will work to develop a thorough, well-structured plan to engage the millions of young people in Iraq and throughout the Middle East, and work to give them the tools to rebuild their county instead of the weapons to destroy it.

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Dan in CO

02-07-2008 19:54:46




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Bruce (VA), 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Just what we need... more govenment!



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Dan in CO

02-07-2008 19:25:25




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Dunk;

Let me help you out in getting booted;

Here in Colorado, the folks from CA have moved here after selling their $1,000,000 houses and driven up housing costs and overpopulated our state. We call them "Californicaters"



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Dunk

02-07-2008 19:47:24




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Dan in CO, 02-07-2008 19:25:25  
Dan..

Can you even believe that MS is trying to ban FAT folks from eating in public!?!?!?!

House Bill 282 was introduced in the 2008 Mississippi legislative session on Friday by Representative W.T. Mayhall, Jr., a retired pharmaceutical salesman with DuPont-Merk. Its co-authors are Bobby Shows, a businessman, and John Read, a pharmacist.


GoogleI had this in one of my deleteted topics last night.

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Dunk

02-07-2008 19:16:19




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
I may end up getting the topic deleted, from the way my track record is running, BUT.

CA, is now learning what the War Against Northern Aggression was about.

CA wants medical pot legal, and has legalized it.

Pot vending machines

The Feds say NO!!



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heybusdriver

02-07-2008 18:41:34




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Tim M., 02-07-2008 18:26:52  
I have a Brother -in-law who took his dog to vet and when receiving the bill asked the vet if he could at least put a mask on before presenting him with a bill like that. Legal theft.

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Den N Ms

02-07-2008 18:22:29




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Britcheflee,Ivermectin a (Cattle) wormer Can be given to dogs orally once a month for heartworm (Prevention).I have used it for years on my Lab.Your just not suppose to use it on collies.A pharmacologist at the WSU College of Veterinary Medicine has discovered a mutant gene for a key transport protein in the susceptible collies. The gene codes for P-glycoprotein, a large protein complex that acts to pump medications out of the brain and back to the bloodstream where they can be metabolized safely. In the collies that lacked the complete gene for P-glycoprotein, they do not produce the complete protein and cannot pump out the medications. The drugs then build within the brain to toxic levels. P-glycoprotein also helps transport other drugs out of the brain and other tissues in humans and animals, including popular over-the-counter medications.But thats the medication thats vets use to give heartworm treatments.Just remember that it should not be given to a dog with out a negitive heartworm test first.The small animal vets just don't want every one to know about this.It would hurt there business.

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Tom N MS

02-07-2008 20:02:50




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Den N Ms, 02-07-2008 18:22:29  
I assume that that is what I got years ago for a dof I got at the shelter. Later found he had heart worms. I was told that half of a sheep bolus would either cure him or kill him. I got the sheep bolus and gave him half of it. Within days he was running and playing and was obviously a different dog. Gave him the other half a few weeks later. Cured him as far as I know...



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Den N Ms

02-07-2008 18:36:00




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Den N Ms, 02-07-2008 18:22:29  
Ivermectin as a Heartworm Prevention.
Link



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Jimmyjack

02-07-2008 20:47:33




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Den N Ms, 02-07-2008 18:36:00  
How do you determine the dose? I keep my dog on heartworm year around, here we have no mosquitoes in the winter, but have to have an exam every two years anyway. I would buy Invectin if I could and determine a proper dose.



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Den N Ms

02-08-2008 14:38:33




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Jimmyjack, 02-07-2008 20:47:33  
Jimmyjack,Here is the dose recomendations for dogs.(note} (DO NOT USE ON COLLIES)

Example: 20 pound dog would get .18. round up to .2 ml and give by mouth.

Example: 40 pound dog would get .36 ml. round up to .4 ml and give by mouth. More info



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Den N Ms

02-08-2008 14:40:29




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Den N Ms, 02-08-2008 14:38:33  
More INFO Ivermectin



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cargocult(StillIn the PI)

02-07-2008 18:09:08




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
This is TYPICAL of what is going wrong with our fine country!! & It will ONLY GET WORSE unless we vote out all the liberal Demoquacks & stage a revolution!! But that ain't gonna happen, I fear!! (Too many SHEEPLE addicted to the T^V!!) Emigration is looking like the ONLY OPTION!! As A PROUD VIETNAM VETERAN (we coulda won that war, we was sold out by the POLITICIANS!!) I am naturally heartsick about what is going on in my beloved USA!! Like Jimmy Buffett sez: "Time To Start A New Life under The Palm Trees"!! With a TEAR IN MY EYES!! CC, who is learning about Agriculture, Filipino Style!!

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Hobo,NC

02-07-2008 17:47:13




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over
[What a guy!]

Must B a O-California vet thang,,, here we doctor our own animals,,, Ray'bs shot $5 bucks held at the local pick a 6 pack around every corner,,, every local community 2 times a year,,, met a retired Vet,,, ones I know will play ya 13 card no peak nuttin wild,,, cost ya 10 are you make five



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Elvin C. Frank

02-07-2008 16:55:32




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Brought the hunnies basset hound to the vet the other day, $35 for 6 months of heartworm and a rabies shot, maybe louisiana has a differnt rabies shot dunno



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Britcheflee

02-07-2008 16:46:40




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to old, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
I cant vote...(Still British citizen)...but I can sure pay taxes :(
I have lived here in CA for years now, and must say I am very happy here but still cannot bring myself to give up my British citizenship...who knows when I will be called up to rise up against the Americans to reclaim our rightful ownership of the country and run it properly :twisted:
I AM ONLY JOKING!!!!! !!!!

Hey, even Simon Cowell can say all kinds of horrible things to people but because he has a British accent they just cant hate him!

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Ken in Michigan

02-07-2008 14:58:22




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
The libs will give us bigger government, more regulations (pets) and less freedom.



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corvetteguy

02-07-2008 14:39:22




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
IN CALI FOR NA YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR



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souNdguy

02-07-2008 13:56:43




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
fl did that for dog/cat/horse meds a while back.. ironically.. regular livestock meds asre still OTC..

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ArleninOr

02-07-2008 13:22:44




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
In oregon you can buy most all of you dog and cat meds at your local feed stores. The only thing that you have to take your dog in to the vet for is a rabies shot. by the way Mark We have always thought that PETA stood for People Eating Tasty Animals. Guess that's just farmers for ya!!



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9NJoe

02-07-2008 13:18:11




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Lee,

I feel your pain, I just dropped $194 at the vets last weekend for the "exam" and the rabies shot.

Yep, we also have a helmet law in this wonderful land of blue!



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don t-9n180179

02-07-2008 13:29:38




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to 9NJoe, 02-07-2008 13:18:11  
2 years ago, for 2 dogs(smaller shepard mix and a lab mix), for the exam and rabies was $500. I found a new vet who works out of his house and has a good rep. Same 2 dogs was a bit less than $200 and most of that was the rabies shots. Our county has outragous rates for non-fixed older dogs.



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Bob Jones

02-07-2008 13:05:42




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
You do not have to have a prescription to buy the meds if you buy them from a source outside the USA. I have bought my flea and tick meds from Australia for the last two years and had it delivered to the house. You can do the same for heartworm meds but it's not as common. Do a search on goggle or ebay and you will find what you need.



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Britcheflee

02-07-2008 12:40:39




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Greg_Ky, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
I would gladly buy all my pet meds at the vet - but, I dont want to be forced to have the additional expense of an 'exam' - if you have a track record with the vet and have purchased the drugs/had the shots over the years why the need for an exam? Sure, if your dog looks like it has a problem let them give an exam...if it is in good health why?

And, I would like the option to have the exam...not have the 'law' tell me I have to have it.

Lee

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Dukester

02-07-2008 11:59:53




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Yes it is true you have to have a vet prescription for your dog to be able to buy Heartguard, Frontline, Program,... online. I looked into this a few years ago because I had several large dogs at the time. I asked my vet about it and he said, yes they _could_ write me a prescription for it so that I could buy the medicine elsewhere, but did I really want to, and I quote, "hurt his business" by doing so? In the end the prices were not any cheaper than at my vets once you included shipping, so it was a wash. Too bad you can't count your animals & their medical expenses for tax deduction purposes!

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Mark Pearce

02-07-2008 11:38:43




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Hey look at it this way, you will think twice now before sending in that yearly donation to PETA. Yep, this law has PETA written all over it. The vets are just suckin up the benefits right now. In the long run all this new law will do is make more dogs suffer. The harder they make it for some folk the less they spend altogether. The dog fighing crowd will never bring a dog in now. A lot of back yard vets and home brew medications will now show up. Before long this country is gonna really suck. It gets worse and worse every day with these corporate laws. We are being taxed to death and no-one is lobbying for the every day American. I just can't understand why my fellow Americans lay down and take this crap. What a steril place this is becomming and really fast it is. It's what happens when people with no vision come up and pass these half cocked personal agenda's. Common knowledge has been breed completly out of some Americans I suppose. If they did it to be remembered and leave their heritage something to be proud of, well I guess they can sleep now. The animal looses now!!!!


Mark.

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Jim SC

02-07-2008 10:38:00




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
That is the "Peoples Republic of California". The shame of it is that it not only impacts you, but what starts in California usually travels eastward...



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Fordfarmer

02-07-2008 13:06:31




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Jim SC, 02-07-2008 10:38:00  
Unfortunatly, thats true... but we've had that same law here in WI for several year. Only good thing is I can have my dog's shots taken care of when the vet comes out for the monthly herd health check.



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Britcheflee

02-07-2008 10:32:52




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Greg_Ky, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
I dont mind going to the vet and buying my meds - heartguard, flea stuff and the like as well as shots but I dont want to be forced by 'law' to have the exam unless I feel it necessary - hey, I just dumped over $800 last year at that vet to have a chipped tooth the dog had taken out! So its not like I would not pay for the dog to have treatment if needed.

Lee



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John TR)

02-07-2008 10:23:51




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 Re: O-California vet 'law' in reply to Britcheflee, 02-07-2008 10:03:09  
Sounds like the VETs lobbyist got a bill in that effectively blocks the Internet flea meds.
Its not just the human health care that's crazy. I looked on line last year for Front line and almost every site had it for the exact same price, (price fixing?) most of which was only a few cents lower than my vet unless I wanted to buy meds that were packaged for other countries.



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