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Arkansasbill

02-08-2008 19:21:35




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My pistons have "03" stamped on them. What does this mean? Also, how do you tell if you have a thick or thin sleeve? What is the ring end gap supposed to be?

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TheOldHokie

02-11-2008 04:42:10




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 Re: 8N Piston/Sleeve in reply to Hobo,NC, 02-08-2008 19:21:35  
Good luck with the dry ice - :roll:
Sleeve Tools

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Dunk

02-10-2008 18:45:38




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 Re: 8N Piston/Sleeve in reply to eastexed, 02-08-2008 19:21:35  

Arkansasbill said: (quoted from post at 23:29:55 02/10/08) As Paul Harvey would say, this is the rest of the story. I have confirmed the .90 sleeves but the pistons evidently came out of some other non Ford 8N motor. The ring endplay is something like 3/8 in and the piston have an 1/8 in of lateral play (side to side within the sleeve with the rings on. Evidently, someone worked on this engine that is not remotely qualified to be a shade tree mechanic. Am going to buy an overhaul kit and replace sleeves (the dry ice method) and pistons.
Guys, thanks for all your contributions.


Pull the sleeves, replace with ones you know are right, same with the pistons.

Mind yer rods and the orentitation they are in, front goes back to front, cap goes back on the same as it came off.

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Arkansasbill

02-10-2008 18:29:55




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 Re: 8N Piston/Sleeve in reply to Arkansasbill, 02-08-2008 19:21:35  
As Paul Harvey would say, this is the rest of the story. I have confirmed the .90 sleeves but the pistons evidently came out of some other non Ford 8N motor. The ring endplay is something like 3/8 in and the piston have an 1/8 in of lateral play (side to side within the sleeve with the rings on. Evidently, someone worked on this engine that is not remotely qualified to be a shade tree mechanic. Am going to buy an overhaul kit and replace sleeves (the dry ice method) and pistons.

Guys, thanks for all your contributions.

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Hobo,NC

02-09-2008 05:03:42




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 Re: 8N Piston/Sleeve in reply to Arkansasbill, 02-08-2008 19:21:35  
03 means nuttin to me,,, the only way you can tell the thickness of sleeve is,,, is to look at'em from the bottom,,, you eyes should B am to see .040 or .90 thick,,, if not find someone who can tell the difference,,, .090 is a common up grade so the serial number only means it came from the factory 60 years ago with .040 sleeves.

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Dell (WA)

02-08-2008 20:43:47




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 Re: 8N Piston/Sleeve in reply to Arkansasbill, 02-08-2008 19:21:35  
Bill..... ..generally OVERSIZE pistons are "stamped" with oversize in thousandths, but I'd guess yer "03" would be 0.030in or 30 thousandths.

Here comes the "confusion factor", the N's dry sleeve scheme has constant bore or piston diameter of 3.187in or commonly called 3-3/16". Thousandths are never indicated. The steel sleeve is 0.040" thick, and the more desirable castiron sleeve is 0.090" thick. (why is castiron desirable? 'cuz piston rings seal better)

The only time you really need to worry about the difference between steel or castiron sleeve is iff'n you haffta remove them 'cuz of excess wear. The ONLY way to tell iff'n you have excessive wear is by inside micrometer. (top, middle, bottom, at zero and 90 deg, thats 12-mike readings per cylinder)

The the block holes will be 3.267" for steel sleeve and 3.367" for castiron. (a difference of 0.100") Sleeves are a "inference fit" meaning they are 1-3 thou bigger OD than block hole ID and must be "pressed in" during installation. (special tools are required, altho I advocate a dry-ice scheme)

Ring end gaps as measured inside the sleeve before piston installation is: 0.010-0.017". Most ring boxes will also have the endgap spec'd too as well as iff'n oversized.

While Ford changed to castiron sleeves at s/n: 8N433578 (1952 sidemount) and had a funny additional s/n stamp, this is NOT ALWAYS the case with earilyer N-Engines which many times have the engine block bore-out to accept the more desirable castiron sleeves.

Did you know the answers to all yer questions are found in the I&T FO-4 manual? $25 (cheap) ..... ..HTH, Dell, the non-expert

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Arkansasbill

02-09-2008 04:40:00




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 Re: 8N Piston/Sleeve in reply to Dell (WA), 02-08-2008 20:43:47  
Dell,
I appreciate the information including the reference to the manual. Am going to get the dial calipers out and see which sleeve I have. Bought this tractor and found an 8N block (SN 444000 range) on a 2N. Don't know what I have just yet. Am going to do some investigating and may be back with more questions. I agree with Mark that you ought to put the info in a Word document so you can copy and paste it the next time some 8N dummy (like me) shows up.

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Mark Pearce

02-08-2008 23:40:23




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 Re: 8N Piston/Sleeve in reply to Dell (WA), 02-08-2008 20:43:47  
Dell, Nice reply here. Really, you should make this into a Word doccument and next time you can copy and paste it here. Save on typin and fingerin.

Mark....



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