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Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA

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Randall(AL)

06-03-1999 07:08:31




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Ok, seems as if every time I run my 12v converted Naa for about 5 or 6 hours I burn up a set of points and possibly condensor too. After some advice from Zane I replaced my ballasr resistor. I'm using a 12v coil, voltage to the coil is 10.5v. After talking to my local parts guy he tells me that the condensor I'm using is actually a 6v condensor so I put a Standard ignition parts condensor part #DR30. Everything in my ignition system is new Resistor, Coil(both fit specs of a 56 Ford car), ignition switch, points, condensor, rotor, dist cap, wires, and plugs. From everything I've read on the n-board I'm up to specs and all my parts check out fine on my multi-meter. I've never heard anybody say anything about the condensor needing to be changed. I'm running great right now but I've only put 4 hrs on my proofmeter if these points burn I'm gonna have to go to church every day for the next ten years cause this is my 5th set in about 35 hrs. And ifn they do burn this old boy is buying a !#$? electronic ignition. Any body got any ideas.

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Dell (WA)

06-03-1999 09:14:01




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 Re: Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA in reply to Randall(AL), 06-03-1999 07:08:31  
Randall..... ..What is your confidence level that your present coil is really and truely a 12 volt coil and not a mis-packaged or mis-labled 6 volt coil?

10.5 volts to the coil on a 12 volt coil should be right in the ol' ballpark BUT if it is a 6 or 8 volt coil (a lot of 12 volt system coils are really designed to run on 8 volts), the internal resistance will cause the points to draw more than they are designed for (5 amps max, 3 amps normal).

Ohms Law sez: I=E/R, if ballast resistor = 0.5 ohms (typical) and battery voltage = 12.3 - 10.5 = 1.6 volts across the ballast resistor; doing the math 1.6 / 0.5 = 3.2 amps thru the ballast resistor and the coil and the points (its a series circuit), right in the ol' ballpark.

BUT IF your engine is running when you took those measurements and your alternator was putting out max voltage of 14.7 volts for example; ballast resistor is still 0.5 ohms BUT voltage will be 14.7 - 10.5 = 4.2 volts across the ballast resistor; then doing the math: I = 4.2 / 0.5 = 8.4 AMPS....way to many amps thru the thru the ballast resistor and coil and points.

This could be your problem, the alternator is outputting to many volts....you might get it checked out.

As for your 6 volt condenser.....Most condensers are rated 100 to 200 volts, wheather used in 6 volt or 12 volt systems. Has to do with the back EMF of the coil. More technical stuff.

Hope this helps..... .Dell

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randall(AL)

06-03-1999 15:12:21




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 Re: Re: Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA in reply to Dell (WA), 06-03-1999 09:14:01  
First coil said it was a 12v (use w external resistor) which I did. The new coil and resistor are from TISCO and are supposed to be the right ones and if the coil is wrong it was stamped wrong. My alt which has built in regulator puts out a whopping 15.55 volts which is beyond my control at this point. I have not burnt up this set of points yet but I am figuring for the worse. The specs on my coil show 10 to 11 volts and with the alternator(self exciting) engaged I'm getting 10.5v at the coil which should be right in line.

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Dell (WA)

06-03-1999 15:41:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA in reply to randall(AL), 06-03-1999 15:12:21  
Randall..... ..whooo, 15.55 is way to many volts

Ohms law I = E/R: you have 15.55 - 10.5 for 5.05 volts across your resistor and asssuming your ballast resistor is 0.5 ohms (maybe, maybe not) then the current flowing thru the resistor, coil, and points (series circuit) is: 5.05 / 0.5 = 10.1 amps. NO WONDER you are burning up your points. Typical point current should be about 3 amps, 5 amps max. (its a contact area of the points thing; the more points contact area, the more amps the contacts can handle)

You got a bad voltage regulator in your alternator my friend, have it checked out.

Good Luck..... ....Dell

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Pat

06-03-1999 07:50:25




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 Re: Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA in reply to Randall(AL), 06-03-1999 07:08:31  
You are putting to much voltage to the coil.(10.5)



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Randall(AL)

06-03-1999 15:18:12




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 Re: Re: Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA in reply to Pat, 06-03-1999 07:50:25  
Despite what you may think the specs for the coil I have show coil voltage between 10 and 11volts. I would think that 10.5v is as close between 10 and 11 that you can get. I'm converted to 12v and the entire ignition system is also using 12v parts. You are right that the voltage would be too high for a 6v system.



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bg

06-03-1999 07:47:27




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 Re: Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA in reply to Randall(AL), 06-03-1999 07:08:31  
How long have the 12 volt points been in? Let's just see how long it takes to burn out. They may be fine.



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randall(AL)

06-03-1999 15:00:54




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 Re: Re: Rapidly Burning Points/Condensor on NAA in reply to bg, 06-03-1999 07:47:27  
BG I've had them in about 4hrs. We'll have to wait and see.



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