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Over Greasing, Part II

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Nolan

06-04-1999 05:21:27




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Like most of you commented, I to am very skeptical of the over greasing article I referenced yesterday. For in typical American fashion, I to tend to believe "more is better" for just about everything.

So I set my favorite search engine to hunt down articles and references to over greasing, and to my surprise it came back with a whole passle of them!

Now I am still not convinced I can particularly overgrease a hub. Rubber wheels do not spin all that fast really. Not even with a toy trailer and their tiny wheels. And certainly not the front wheel of an N series tractor. Couple of hundred rpm max roughly. Maybe a thousand. But, if the articles are talking about other machineries, like electric motors, I could see some issues there. I have even bound up some things through overgreasing something that had no way to relieve the pressure of excess grease, like u-joints. And a grease gun does put down a whole lot of pressure.

Like others have mentioned, I've seen a number of trailers dead on the side of the road with clearly destroyed spindles. And I've always *assumed* they died from lack of grease. But truthfully, I don't make a habit of pulling over and examining broken down trailer spindles. In thinking over the spindles and such that died and that I did happen to examine (and can think of today), here's the breakdown:
motorcycle trailer, excess play (maybe lack of grease too)
Mustang front end, unknown, spindle failed
Boat trailer #1, water damage
Boat trailer #2, excess play
Toyota truck #1, excess play
Toyota truck #2, lack of grease
Ford Galaxy, excess play
Spitfire, lack of grease

I've also known quite a few other pieces of machinery which have died, doe to excess play. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think excess play has been the killer usually for hubs. For I've seen many a wheel bearing that looked fine (to my astonishment) with barely a coating of some ancient grease on it. My 8N's front hubs in fact. I seriously don't think they'd ever been greased since the tractor was manufactured in 1951. Yet they were fine. Did they survive because they didn't have excess play and therefore weren't beaten upon? I do suspect so.

Now I'm not planning to end greasing of my equipment. But this has given me pause and made me think some about my normal practise of just cramming grease in until it squirts out somewhere or my hand can't squeeze the grease gun lever any further.

Here's a bunch of links on this subject that I found. In no particular order, with no endorsements from me:

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Vic

06-05-1999 22:30:31




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 Re: Over Greasing, Part II in reply to Nolan, 06-04-1999 05:21:27  
I was surprised to note that Woods, which advocates fairly frequent grease intervals for mowers, states that grease points, including spindle bearings and U-joints, should typically get only one stroke of a grease gun. Which is a radical departure from the "pump 'til it squirts out" method most people (including me) have typically used.



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AL@NC

06-05-1999 05:08:35




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 Re: Over Greasing, Part II in reply to Nolan, 06-04-1999 05:21:27  
If a little bit is good, a whole lot's better work for grease and most other things.... (moderation is for Monks}.



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JerryU

06-04-1999 07:02:46




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 Re: Over Greasing, Part II in reply to Nolan, 06-04-1999 05:21:27  
I think Nolan hit it on the head. When dealing with the tractors, and even car wheels and trailer wheels we are talking relatively low speeds of less than 2,000 rpms. In industry, many of the motors and drives run 3600 rpms and above. Intermediate shafts run faster. It is a fact that you can overgrease a bearing and it will run hot. In my much younger days, I was a maintenance forman for a tractor manufacturer (not Ford, but the other biggie). I had a couple of greasers working for me and on more than one occaision, we had to remove grease from bearings that were overheating due to excessive grease. Again these were in pretty high speed applications. I don't think that anything on the Ford would approach that kind of speed or friction levels.

Just my opinion.

JerryU

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bg

06-04-1999 05:59:56




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 Re: Over Greasing, Part II in reply to Nolan, 06-04-1999 05:21:27  
If the manual calls for adjusting & repacking the bearings with short-fibre grease(whatever that is)every 600 hours(which I would guess to be about every three-four months under hard farm usage), then the operator should be able to identify bearing problems as they develop. Problem is, most of these tractors don't get 600 hours of use in a year. I'd rather use a little bit of grease more often than a lot of grease every-once-in-a-while.

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Stan Gordon

06-04-1999 11:45:59




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 Re: Re: Over Greasing, Part II in reply to bg, 06-04-1999 05:59:56  
I agree with bg. As a matter of fact I enjoy getting out and doing maintance on my 8N. Oil and
greese, hydraulic fluid etc. is cheap. I try and maintain mine on a regular basis, even if just to check the condition of the parts etc. I only use my tractor on hobby acreage but I enjoy the slowed down pace and the more I do with it the better I like it.
Regards Stan.



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