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nuguy

03-23-2008 13:04:07

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john hunt

03-24-2008 15:51:40

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

saw what you doing go to a u pull it or junkyard find old chevy look at the alternator wire and steal the two wire conentor with the boot wire leave a lot of lead too

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Dunk

03-24-2008 03:38:54

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Re: wiring pics in reply to Dunk, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

nuguy said: (quoted from post at 23:56:27 03/23/08) I can get a new solenoid too, maybe just the whole kit with everything....will it have directions in it for the push button starter ?

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nuguy

03-23-2008 19:56:27

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

I can get a new solenoid too, maybe just the whole kit with everything....will it have directions in it for the push button starter ?

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Hobo,NC

03-24-2008 04:23:08

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 19:56:27

If you git # 8N14401B harness it will B pre wired for the starter button BTW git a 6V harness the cheap one that goes for around $20,,, you will wire the tractor purt near like a 6V set up,,, other than you will not b using the OEM voltage regulator,,,, the regulator wires will B used tho,,, tie the red and yellow together,,, use the white wire to excite the # 1 terminal of the alt,,, you will have a extra black wire,,, you don't need it or use it to run headlights

You also need a OEM ignition resistor # A8NN12250A and one more resistor,,,, you need to measure the resistance of the coil from the top post to the springy thingy

Read these post Link

http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=652931>Link

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nuguy

03-23-2008 19:52:33

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

Thanks for the help gents, I will settle for any setup that works, I am not beholding to this setup, as long as I need to fix it, I will do it right for the 12 volt that it is now.....If I can find a diagram that tells me how to setup the push button starter and wiring to the solenoid etc etc I will do that...I can buy what I would need to make it work, But I need help on EXACTLY what to get....this info is not in my shop manual..it only covers factory setup, ....instead of guessing at which part caused what, maybe I best get a new alternator ( this one is probly fried now) after smoking, get a new push starter and ammeter...the solenoid still works, I had it running again after the alternator smoked.

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Dunk

03-23-2008 18:59:59

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

Dell, it is a "feature" not a "bug", it is done on purpose for the dial-up users, they don't have to endure a large download, unless they click on the thumbnails.

<a href="http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2743414250083293448pkyJxy"><img src="http://thumb8.webshots.net/t/63/663/4/14/25/2743414250083293448pkyJxy_th.jpg" alt="alt"></a>

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Dell (WA)

03-23-2008 18:51:54

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

nuguy..... ...Yer pictures look just fine and are full page on yer webshot homepages and I can tell you I ain't gonna try to guess why yer having problems. Why?

Some well meaning but un-knowledgeable autoparts guys try to sell a 4-terminal starter solenoid to unsuspecting electrically challenged nuguys like you, claimin' "itt'll work" and it generally don't. The BIG starter push'em button by the tranny shifter "grounds" the starter solenoid as a tranny neutral safety scheme.

The original 3-terminal 8N's starter solenoid mounts onto of the starter with the itty-bitty middle terminal facing the engine block. The itty-bitty terminal is connect thru the dashpanel to the BIG starter push'em button next to the tranny shifter.

I know of 3-different 4-terminal automobile starter solenoids and only 1-WORKS in tractor application, iff'n you know electricity. And would you believe the original 6-volt 3-terminal starter solenoid works just fine on 12-volts? But I flunked mind reading (just ask my ex-wife of 32yrs) and I don't know which starter solenoid you have.

You write..... ."now after 10 minutes of running fine the alternator started smoking, any ideas?"..... ..nope, but there should be NO relationship between 3-terminal starter solenoid and 12-volt alternator. But stranger things have happened..... .....HTH, Dell, a 12-volt advocate for the right reason. That said; I know 8-ways convert to 12-volts and they all work, and NONE need or use a 4-terminal starter solenoid or 3-terminal twist to start ignition switch

Dunno know why yer pictures are itty-bitty didn't show like yer webshots..... .Dunk???

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Dunk

03-23-2008 18:49:54

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

I won't argue with Hobo, on the saftey button bypass, I have to agree that isn't a good idea.

From what I have heard, the first 9Ns didn't have it, and Henry himself nearly got it, from it.

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nuguy

03-23-2008 18:22:47

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

I was kinda hoping for some real help fellows..If I knew all this stuff I wouldnt be asking.

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Hobo,NC

03-23-2008 18:41:23

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 18:22:47

A start would B a 8N14401B wire'n harness,,, a OEM starter solenoid,,, a dio for the alt and it would B nice to know the resistance of the coil,,, I am gonna go to bed

Know help from me on a key start system,,, good luck if you find someone else that is will'n to take the gamble

The OEM starter button is their for a reason,,, figger it out

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Hobo,NC

03-23-2008 18:31:22

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 18:22:47

You will git help but not help bypassing the original starter button,,, least not from ME

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nuguy

03-23-2008 18:14:49

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

I tried to post this in my other post, after replacing the soleniod the alternator smoked....does the picture appear correct for an 8N, 1948 front mount dist. converted to 12 volts ?...I cant find a diagram for this conversion, they all have a coil or something different from my setup, this is how it was when I got the tractor, and it run fine til the solenoid burnt up, then after replacing it the alternator smoked out too...So I guess a new ammeter and alternator will fix it all, IF the wiring is correct..it is key switch to start, the original starter button is disconected..just have the alternator, a resistor I believe, ammeter, soleniod, and key switch to start.....no wiring for lights etc....HELP ! :)

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Dunk

03-23-2008 17:51:13

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

Yall bad!!

And all this time I thought I was the ..... .

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Hobo,NC

03-23-2008 18:20:24

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Re: wiring pics in reply to Dunk, 03-23-2008 17:51:13

Well,,, I see he has bypassed the safety neutral system,,, yes it'ell werk,,, yes it will kill are Mame,,, yes just that part is E nuff for me to down play it,,, goes to show ya dufus still lives,,, now tell me what gives,,, fudge up a system that works,,, would you b proud of it,,, It would please me if I got a "Hun" out of it and he did not know what I am talk'in about,,, I could understand that and would B more than happy to help'em git the safety neutral set up werk'in and am sure others would also....

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JMOR

03-23-2008 17:36:06

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Re: wiring pics in reply to Joe)NYC), 03-23-2008 13:04:07

My FIL always said, " a bears arse sewed up with a grapevine"..... ..none are a pretty sight..... ..so I would imagine.

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Hobo,NC

03-23-2008 17:33:56

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

looks like a nitemare,,, just mite B a killer or as my deceased buddy use to say 'looks like a horses arse sewed up with barbwire

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Dunk

03-23-2008 14:17:24

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Re: wiring pics in reply to nuguy, 03-23-2008 13:04:07

If you had posted this in the classic forum(instead of the modern) it would have worked.

The modern uses tags.

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