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Carbon Buildup - Tractor History

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nondem

04-13-2008 07:17:36




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This 1950 8n has LOTS of carbon build up from the top of the combustion chamber to the tailpipe.
What might that indicate? I bought the tractor from heirs of the original owner. It was used by a single family to grow food in a few small fields and keep their 1000 acre plot of land up. This is in rural N. Florida(Hosford/Telogia).

I'm wondering why there is so much carbon? Mainly so I can prevent it from happening to me.
A couple of historical clues I've found - The manifold has been welded in such a way to build up a corner of the gasket mating surface and then ground smooth. Actually a nice job, but it indicates a lack of funds to buy a new one.
Also, the oil dran plug is worn to the point that I can't even get a pipe wrench to grip it. I'm gonna have to "machine" a new square head out of the old one w/the dremmel.
That concludes my morning rant :)

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nondem

04-14-2008 10:29:40




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to Dell (WA), 04-13-2008 07:17:36  
Just thought I would update you on the drain-plug.

The jack/block of wood under the pipe-wrench trick worked when nothing else would.
I owe you a beer!



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ZANE

04-13-2008 19:10:47




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to nondem, 04-13-2008 07:17:36  
The fuel that was burned in the tractor could have a big effect on the amount of carbon build up. Too high an octane fuel with too much lead can cause severe carbon build up in a low compression engine that was not designed to burn it. Also some old timers burned a mixture of distillate and gasoline in gas burner tractors. Looked like a steam engine going across the fields and not much power but when distillate was .05 cents a gallon and gas was .20 cents a gallon a lot of distillate was used in these old tractors by people who didn't have much money to spend on fuel.

I once had a '46 Ford car and had a funding problem myself with fuel supply. I was able to obtain a full 55 gallon drum of 115-145 octane aviation fuel at a very low price. I put the drum in the truck of the 46 and ran a rubber hose to through the bung hole to the bottom of the drum laid on it's side and the other end attached to the fuel line under the car. I drove the car home from LA to Al and back on that drum of avaition fuel. When I got back though in the next few days I noticed that I was loosing water from around the edges of both heads. (flat head engine). Lots of water and it had developed a slight knock. I pulled the heads and discovered that the 115-145 octane fuel had left so much carbon deposits in the last thousand miles or so that the pistons were actually pounding on the heads combustion chambers with built up carbon. In the heads where the valves moved there was only a small passage left that was not solid carbon. I had to use a hammer and chisel to dig all the packed carbon out of the heads and tops of the pistons. Under the exhaust valves was a lot of carbon too but I managed to dig most of it out with a pick and hammer without pulling them out of the block.
I never used any more avaition fuel in my old 36 Ford car.

Zane

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nondem

04-13-2008 08:57:27




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to Colin King, 04-13-2008 07:17:36  
Maybe solder would have been a better term. The metal was "built-up" with another metal via heat to replace a broken off mating surface.
I'll try to post a pic...



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Hobo,NC

04-13-2008 08:07:36




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to nondem, 04-13-2008 07:17:36  
Read yer spark plugs



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Dell (WA)

04-13-2008 07:49:03




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to nondem, 04-13-2008 07:17:36  
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nondem..... .carbon build-up is NATURAL. Normal by-product of burning hydro-carbons called gasoline. Usually caused by too-cool running conditions as automobile manufactures found out when Govt bureaucrats mandated SMOG controls. Can occur in less than 1-year, so I wouldn't be too excited about carbon in a 50yo tractor engine.

hummm..... .'nebber' known a pipewrench that wouldn't grip that 3in engine oildrain plug. (better have NEW one & gasket handy) Iff'n the oilplug edges are that chewed-up, bett'cha its really frozen. Use a JACK to hold pipewrench up-tite to plug so you can putta 3ft extension on wrench handle for enuff torque to break it loose. Iff'n you had a "fire-wrench" to heat things up first, probably good idea.

'nutter'tip: you CAN NOT WELD used castiron exhaust manifolds. Why? 'cuz porous castiron gitts contaminated from exhaust gas carbon soot. New exhaust manifold, $50; new muffler clamp $5; new BRASS manifold nuts $2, torque to 27ft/lbs..... ..Dell

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Dunk

04-13-2008 07:28:16




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to nondem, 04-13-2008 07:17:36  
Better than I could say it....

Carbon Build-Up

Carbon is a natural byproduct of the combustion process and is vented through the exhaust system. It is normal for a thin layer of carbon to cover the parts of the engine and exhaust that come into contact with the combustion process or engine exhaust. Since the introduction of unleaded fuel, carbon deposits have been greatly reduced. Normally, carbon does not present a problem.
However, through the introduction of contaminents such as oil or overly rich air/fuel ratios, carbon build-up can become excessive and reduce engine performance and require costly service or repairs.
Driving habits can also impact the amount of carbon build up. Highway driving tends to cause the engine to get sufficiently hot so as to burn away some contaminents that would otherwise become deposits. Unfortunately, short trips tend to promote the build up of carbon deposits. Having said that, in general, there are two main causes of excessive carbon buildup; burned oil and overly rich air/fuel mixtures.
Oil-based carbon build-up occurs when piston rings become worn and oil is able to leak past the rings from the crankcase. Oil can also leak from valves into the combustion chamber. Typically oil-based deposits appear as dark black and have a gummy, tar-like consistency.
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GB in MT.

04-13-2008 07:31:51




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to Dunk, 04-13-2008 07:28:16  


Dunk;

Oh man, I just love to read your book's!!!!! ! :lol: 8)
Gary :lol:



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GB in MT.

04-13-2008 07:26:57




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 Re: Carbon Buildup - Tractor History in reply to nondem, 04-13-2008 07:17:36  


nondem;

The valve cleaning ya just did, will prob. take care of a lot of the carbon.

Autolight 437 spark plug will help, and I suspect the carb. has been used with out the adjustments being correct. Lots of carbon means, air to fuel ratio, is not correct and not hot enough spark plugs.

HTH

Good job on the valves!!!!!

Gary :)



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