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Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is the ?

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Ed S. (IL)

04-16-2008 11:31:33




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Contemplating biting the bullet and picking up a used Sherman for my 8N while it's apart. There are two on eBay at the moment (one is a high-range, the other is a hi-lo combo).

The loaner 8N I had been using had the hi-lo, which was nice for roading, but I rarely used it in actual farming work. I typically use the following implements throughout the year:

Rotary mower, back blade (snow and gravel), box blade, 2 bottom plow, cultivator, grain drill, sickle bar mower, 3 point hay rake, small baler, hay racks, 3 point scoop bucket.

Those of you who have or have used one - would it be worth spending $500-900 for a Sherman? Seems a lot to spend for limited benefit...

es

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tim[in]

04-16-2008 21:09:36




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
Neighbor i used to work for had one in his jubilee. He used to do a lot of custom combining with a allis allcrop in this area with it.



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John (TR)

04-16-2008 19:38:30




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
I have one in my 43 and I like it. I think there is too big of jump from 2nd to 3rd and frequently use 2nd OD when moving around, hauling brush etc. I also like reverse OD when pushing snow. As far as my 8n I see no need for it.



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Jim /md

04-16-2008 18:14:01




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
I have a step up in my 46 2n .When mowing with a 5 ft finish mower the step up speeds up the pto as well as the ground speed so I can run with the throttle 1/2 open and the mower is at full speed .I tryed the same idea with a 5 ft bushog but the 2n doesnt have torque to spin the heavierblades in overdrive .In my opinoin a nice but expensive option. JIM



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Ed S. (IL)

04-16-2008 13:14:05




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is the in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
Thanks all for the quick responses. Concensus seems to agree with my assessment that it would be a lot of money for little benefit.

I'll spend that $500-900 on new tires and rims instead...

Thanks again!

es



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LeeMo

04-16-2008 13:35:41




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is the in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 13:14:05  
I think that's a wise decision.



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sdean_taylor@hotmail.com

04-16-2008 12:48:35




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
Ed:

Your decision depends mostly upon what you use your tractor for. If show purposes, by all means get a combo.

If you travel any distance on the road under tractor power, the step-up version may be useful if the terrain is relatively flat. The step-up is useful for little else.

I have a combo in my 51, and use underdrive almost exclusively. My 51 is used mostly to make the first round with a 5' cutter in irregular, obstacle infested and sometimes steep fields after which I switch off to a bigger tractor/mower. The slower speed adds to the N's inherent nimbleness and increases torque delivered to the mower. In conditions such as these, it is very useful in an N.

Keep in mind that the Sherman affects PTO/pump speed. If you use your N for tillage, the decreased PTO/pump speed will slow the response of your draft control.

Dean

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Paul in MN

04-16-2008 12:23:37




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
Ed,

I have had the Sherman OD tranny in my 8N since I bought it in 1970. I found it to be useful at first when I didn't have a trailer to haul the tractor, so it did many road miles. It allows you to get more mph if you run the engine full throttle, or allows the engine to run at a lower RPM if you want to go the typical road gear speed of approx 15 mph. I usually throttled back to get the lower RPM and thus less wear on the engine.

Since I built a tandem axle transport trailer in the late 70's, I have never used the Sherman hi range. So in effect, the thing is just a future repair waiting to happen.

On the down side of this argument is that when the Sherman is shifted into Hi, the hydraulic pump and PTO also turn at the stepped up speed. Being a 4 piston pump, the hydraulic pump sounds like it is beating itself to death, and it probably is.

Now if someone would offer to trade me a Sherman Lo range tranny for my OD, I'd be right there. For many jobs, the 8N 1st and Reverse gear is too high a speed.

With regard to Colin's question below, the Sherman steps up and down the PTO RPM just as it changes the wheel speed. A baler is pretty unhappy at any PTO rpm different than the prescribed 540, so the Sherman is of no advantage to the baling operation.

Paul in MN

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Dan in CO

04-16-2008 12:13:58




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is the in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
Ed:

I have the Sherman step up in my 2N. I use it pretty frequently to go get the mail 1.5 mi. down the road. I like to use the tractor for this chore, mainly to give it a regular workout, but also to show off my antique to the neighbors and generate some "tractor envy". As for the real work the 2N does, the Sherman is useless.



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Gaspump

04-16-2008 12:06:53




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
Lots of folks swear by them, I see little use for them (have some now and have had some before). Fun to fly down the road at 21mph but who needs to do that, little much for the brakes too. When doing traction work the 4 gears and RPM's do well enough for most, me included. The PTO RPM is changed in Hi or Lo ranges but some still bush hog and mow and like it like that. If you farmed every day all day I'm sure there would be many uses for it from time to time but they are really not at all a necessity.

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Colin King

04-16-2008 12:01:05




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
I"m asking this question out of ignorance ... but could the high-lo be useful for dealing with windrow density when baling?

Colin, MN



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Gaspump

04-16-2008 12:07:58




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Colin King, 04-16-2008 12:01:05  
If it is an engine driven baler, yes.



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Colin King

04-16-2008 12:19:46




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Gaspump, 04-16-2008 12:07:58  
In reading your response to Ed, I see the problem would be a change in PTO speed.

Thanks!
Colin



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Colin King

04-16-2008 12:17:40




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Gaspump, 04-16-2008 12:07:58  
Why only for a baler with an engine? Ground speed is an important factor when baling, so wouldn't the lower gears give the N more flexibility even when running a 14T or some other small PTO driven baler?

Colin



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GB in MT.

04-16-2008 11:53:46




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is the in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  


ED;

Not too long ago, I was offered a Hi/Low Sherman, and I ask the guy why he took it out of his 2N. He said , "It was just something that he never used, and that he wanted to sell it before something went wrong with it.

My answer at the time was;..... .Thanks, But, No thanks. Never have thought about getting one since then!!!! :roll:
HTH

Gary :)



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LeeMo

04-16-2008 11:44:38




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 Re: Operation 8N: To Sherman or not to Sherman, That is t... in reply to Ed S. (IL), 04-16-2008 11:31:33  
Two of my tractors have Shermans in them. My 8N has an overdrive that I never use. I shift it in once in a while to keep it working. My 841 has a hi-lo that I never use. I also shift it once in a while to keep it working. If I needed to move the tractor from field to field on a road the overdrive would be nice to have but the way I use mine, mowing, blading, brush hogging, boom pole to move stuff, draw bar to move or haul a trailer,etc. I wouldn't spend any money to get one. It mostly depends on how you use the tractor whether they're worth the money. Some guys want one just because they're a cool accessory. Your call!!

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