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Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go!

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Am-Seb

05-03-2008 17:45:19




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Slight miss accelerating from idle. Replaced distributor parts. Have done this six times before; last 10 years ago. New points, rotor, round & cork gskts. Had them new from some yrs. ago in plastic bag. Locally bought new dist. cap. Could not assemble. Either rotor too high or cap N.G. Decided to use old cap and rotor. Cleaned contacts w/brass wire brush, wiped clean & dry. Hand pulled on copper pig-tail a bit. Put dist. and cap together then put on flush, aligning slot and lugs & tightened; then coil & coil wire, plug wires and belt. Went to start. Turned over OK but that's all. Took plug off & laid on exh. manifold. Daughter pressed starter w/key on. No spark. (Plenty of gas in tank, & valve on 2 turns. Running Ok other than above miss when parked 4/20/08. Autolite 437 plugs cleaned before I started tune-up.) I'm no mechanic; no idea about electrical checking, voltmeters, ohmmeters, etc. One other drawback: I am OLD!
Should I get new distributor parts and try again (leaning toward that), or call a mobile tractor mechanic? Suggestions and comments most appreciated. Thanks in advance. I'll post back. P.S. Wife says "Please get those weeds mowed before I have my Book Club meeting! Angelo

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Harley ( Ar )

05-05-2008 09:29:29




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Am-Seb, 05-03-2008 17:45:19  
I had the same problem and I niped enough off the end of spark plug wires to let cooper wire make good contact and she fired up 1948 8n



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36 coupe

05-07-2008 02:42:53




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Harley ( Ar ), 05-05-2008 09:29:29  
Spark voltage can jump 3/8 to 1/2 inch in free air.Wire dosent have to be clean.Spark jumps best from sharp edges.Cleaning rotor contacts and cap contacts is not the best use of time.In fact letting the spark jump a gap increases the voltage at the spark plug.You can fix a fouled spark plug by letting the spark jump a gap at the plug.



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Bruce (VA)

05-04-2008 05:12:42




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Am-Seb, 05-03-2008 17:45:19  
From my personal experience, the #1 problem w/ no fire on a frontmount is the misalignment of 55+ year old parts, not the failure of those parts.

You are probably no older than me, so go to Wally World & get a $15 analog multi-meter. It is not that hard to use.

First, check for continuity inside the distributor w/ the meter. It is very easy to ground the tip of the condenser wire to the body of the distributor when you replaced the points. Also, make sure the condenser wire does not go through the same opening in the distributor that the coil pig tail does. The condenser wire goes the opening on the top right. Look at the points; are they burned, pitted or mis-aligned? Check the point gap, .015 on all four lobes. Points do slip closed! Make sure you have the star washers under the screws on the points.

Next, with the distributor still off the tractor, install the coil. Look at the pigtail on the coil; is it touching the brass screw inside of the distributor? Don’t trust your eyes; test for continuity from the top of the coil to the points. If you do not have continuity, stretch the pigtail a bit until you do. (some people would rather put a small washer under the brass screw) Look at the little tab opposite of the pigtail; bend it a bit also to insure that it will contact the distributor cap. At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit (it helps to loosen the fan belt). The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

Post back w/ results & any other questions.

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soundguy

05-03-2008 22:12:49




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Am-Seb, 05-03-2008 17:45:19  
Yep.. put a testlamp inline with the coil...

no light.. key switch or resistor is bad.. light always on same briteness.. points open.

light always on, dim.. points close dup or shorted.

lamp blinks.. = good.

sounduy



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Dell (WA)

05-03-2008 21:57:23




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Am-Seb, 05-03-2008 17:45:19  
Angelo..... ."Please get those weeds mowed before I have my Book Club meeting!"..... 'nuttin' like workin' under the BIG GUN, eh?

While slight misses are usually an "ignition" problem solved by a common "tune-up" of parts replacing..... don't forget old dried-out stiff sparkie wires will also cause slight misses. Iff'n yer sparkie wires arn't limp like wet noodle, replace them. You doubt? Go out on DARK-NITE and watch them lazy sparkies dance all over yer sparkie wires. DO NOT USE modern carbon-core anti-static sparkie wire. USE old fashioned cut-to-fit COPPER-CORE sparkie wire. $15, cheap.

Don't fergitt yer weaksister ignition switch ($10, cheap) can ALSO cause weak intermittent sparkies.

And hesitation on start-up could be governor issues..... ...Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Colin King

05-03-2008 18:34:52




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Am-Seb, 05-03-2008 17:45:19  
Hi Angelo,

I think that if it worked before you changed the points, then you've got the problem nailed down. It's a faulty connection with your new tune-up job.

Go back and double check your work. Make sure everything is connected, and all connections are clean.

Couple of things that I found to be tricky are:
1. Pigtail doesn't make good contact
2. New gaskets fit really tight. So tight, in fact, that the previous owner of my 8N gave up on them. The new gasket for the coil could very likely be your problem. Yank on that pigtail even harder!

Run a small strip of paper bag between the contacts of the points to clean off any finger oils or corrossion that may have built up.

Good luck!
Colin, MN

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Dunk

05-03-2008 18:26:50




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Am-Seb, 05-03-2008 17:45:19  
The problem here is that you created too many variables.

Put all the stuff you took off, back on, and see if you end up in the place you started.

Then try replacing ONE part at a time.

That slight miss on accelleration may have just been a screw setting on yer carb.



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trucker40

05-03-2008 18:24:15




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 Re: Did Tune-up, and '48 8N No-go! in reply to Am-Seb, 05-03-2008 17:45:19  
A test light does not cost much and is easy to use.It has a long wire with an alligator clip on one end and a plastic handle with a light bulb and a probe on the other end.You clamp the alligator clip somewhere that it can get a ground(I like the ground on the battery)and touch it to the terminal you want to check.In your case you must not be getting fire to your coil or distributor.Maybe its the switch?Another thing you can do is take your connections where wires go apart one at a time and clean them.That way you get an idea of what you have,and when you get done you know its not your connections.If you didnt have fire to the plugs,did you have fire to the points?Since you did have it running,and you changed the points,it might be the points.A test light would tell you if you had fire to the distributer,and if you do,your switch is good.

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