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nondem

05-12-2008 20:14:10




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I'm waiting on this weeks parts shipment which includes a set of gaskets for accessing the hydro-pump/PTO and lift among other things. I'll be getting a bucket of Hydro/Tranny fluid also. Previous advice from you fine folks points to a problem with the exhaust valve part of the lift-system. In another thread, I was given a handy procedure to remove any sludge from the hydro-sump by pulling the PTO etc etc...I'll be doing that when I get the bucket of new fluid and gaskets. Since I'll have "some" access to the pump - What parts might I order and have on hand besides the gaskets to try to get the lift working 100%?
Here is a description of the symptoms I'm experiencing with PTO engaged:

If you pull the quadrant all the way up and let the impliment come to the top THEN put the quadrant all the way down - the impliment goes all the way down and stays. Initially when I first got the tractor running - after getting it down - it would sometimes go back to the top by itself even with the quadrant down BUT now - after about 1+ hour of use it will reliably stay down once you get it there. Once down, If you pull the lever a bit - it'll continue up part of the way to full-up by itself with quadrant still only slightly above full down - I can bring it the rest of the way up - then it'll go back down again. Unless I bring the impliment(and quadrant) to full up - it won't go back down at all.

I noticed the blade tends to bite more if I kill the PTO after getting the blade down. The current hydro-fluid is clean still and has continuously been so. One side-note: I've had the tractor off for 48 hours now w/the box-blade at full up and it hasn't "leaked-down" I assume that's a good thing.

I appreciate the support you guys have been providing....

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nondem

05-13-2008 05:41:31




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 Re: Lift Issues clarification in reply to Sean (TX), 05-12-2008 20:14:10  
Early 1950 8N.



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ZANE

05-13-2008 05:41:23




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 Re: Lift Issues clarification in reply to nondem, 05-12-2008 20:14:10  
What model tractor do you have?????

If it is a 9N/2N it sounds like the linkage is way out of adjustment. The touch control handle should be nearly to the top of it's travel in the quadrant before the lift starts to raise.

Let me know if it is a 9N/2N and I can give you more details on what to do to fix the problem.

Zane



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nondem

05-13-2008 05:30:27




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 Re: Lift Issues clarification in reply to Sean (TX), 05-12-2008 20:14:10  

JMOR said: (quoted from post at 23:33:41 05/12/08)
It is probably going to be in linkage adjustments, cam follower pin area.

I never did see your final resolution on gen/reg situation? How did all that pan out?


Sorry, I got side tracked playing with the box-blade for a couple of days.
I've had 14 yds of gravel piled up in my front drive for 2 years and couldn't resist putting a dent in it.
I had to get a manifold etc etc coming for sure so I don't erode the block so I decided that the new VR(if needed) would have to wait anyway and put it on the back-burner for a couple of weeks and run off battery alone if needed. Then my starter relay quit...

Anyway: It's charging I think - the ammeter moves the wrong way and swings wildly when at high rpm but it looks to be working. If not - I'll need to get a new automotive-type 12 VR. Thats all thats left that isn't already new/rebuilt. I kept the wiring as shown in the pics. The genny dood repainted the thing when he rebuilt it. Looks good.

When you say linkage - do you mean there are linkages to adjust inside the case? I gotta get the "real" service manual for this thing - I keep having to choose between the manual and a part. I've got OEM(repro) manuals but they don't cover much in detail.

It's looking like I should get the manual in hand BEFORE I pull the covers off...

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Bruce (VA)

05-13-2008 05:24:09




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 Re: Lift Issues clarification in reply to nondem, 05-12-2008 20:14:10  
8N or 9N?

If you are going to take the time to clean the pump, I'd recommend you get Zane's adjusting jig & pull the top cover. It could easily be out of adjustment and/or, like JMOR sez, have a worn cam follower pin. As it doesn't leak down, I'd say you have a good lift piston/cylinder.

The lift cover weighs nearly 100 lbs with the upper lift arms attached, & is very hard to maneuver. An engine hoist is an excellent idea. Remove the seat and spring, disconnect the upper lift arms at the knuckles. Remove the 14 bolts that hold the cover to the housing. DO NOT remove the four nuts under the seat! Assuming it's an 8N, remove the right side inspection cover so you can remove the control rod tip from the pump intake valve (it helps if you have a helper stick their hand inside to guide the tip of the control rod out of the rocker shaft). Lift the back of the cover straight up and slide a piece of wood under the cover to keep the tip of the control rod out of the rocker shaft. Once you are sure the control rod is out of the rocker shaft, you can then remove the cover. Check the cam follower pin & the control rod. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. Then, if you have a jig, adjust the linkage to specs. The ‘shade tree’ adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. If the control rod is bent, remove it & straighten it. (very carefully; they break easily!) Set the cover and new cover gasket back on the tractor with a piece of wood between the rear of the cover and the housing. Get some help to guide the tip of the control arm back into the rocker shaft. (this is the point you will wish you had a engine hoist to hold the top cover while the control rod dances around the intake valve arm on the pump!) Align the cover holes up with the housing holes. Tighten cover bolts, connect lift arms install the seat. Re-install the inspection cover with new gasket.

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JMOR

05-12-2008 20:33:41




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 Re: Lift Issues clarification in reply to Dunk, 05-12-2008 20:14:10  
It is probably going to be in linkage adjustments, cam follower pin area.

I never did see your final resolution on gen/reg situation? How did all that pan out?



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