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APD

05-16-2008 03:58:07




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A neighbor brought his 8N to me and said it wont start. I tried to start it and the starter motor just spun at full speed without turning the engine. I immediately thought the problem was a broken starter drive or stripped starter gear or at worst, missing ring gear teeth.
He said the starter was new, and it definitely looked new.

I pulled the starter and it came out real easy....because the shaft had sheared completely off!!! The end cap which supports the shaft (on the drive side) was also cracked and the bushing was working its way out (had moved about 1/4").

So I told him he needs a new starter. I bought one FROM THIS WEBSITE ($160), thinking it would be a reliable source.
I replaced it, and here we are a year later....The new starter wont turn at all. I pull it, and discover that the bushing that supports the shaft is completely gone and the end cap cracked again!!! I dont know if the bushing is in the clutch housing or inside the starter.
The shaft is still in one piece, but it has about 1/4" of end play.

Has anyone else had trouble with cheap starters? Where can I get a good one? Its a 12v. The local tractor supply has them on the shelf, but they look just like the junk one I put in. Any suggestions?

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APD

05-16-2008 15:24:49




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to APD, 05-16-2008 03:58:07  
Thanks for the replies.
These were 12 volt starters not 6 volt.

The problem is mechanical (failed bushings, cracked housings, broken shaft) not electrical, so replacing brushes wont help.

There is no problem with the drive/clutch mechanism....the bushing that supports the starter shaft comes loose because the bore which holds is cracked.

I will double check the ring gear as that seems to be the only possible explanation other than poor manufacturing.

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Jon Hagen

05-16-2008 12:48:15




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to APD, 05-16-2008 03:58:07  
I have seen this type of failure of drive or cushion spring in Moline with that type of starter drive when run on 12 V. You can often reduce the shock load to the starter by replacing the "correct" large battery cables with the skinny little 12V car type cables. They reduce the current avalible to the starter to reduce shock load breakage, yet still crank far better than 6V could ever hope to .

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gahorN

05-16-2008 08:45:09




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to APD, 05-16-2008 03:58:07  
I bought a starter for my 9N from the link at the left

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and 4 years later it's still workiN just fiNe. (Drive failed in two days ,tho' and so I put the original onto the Chinese starter motor.) Paid $139. Unhappy about China, but it's all they had. It works.



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gahorN

05-16-2008 08:46:12




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to gahorN, 05-16-2008 08:45:09  

gahorN said: (quoted from post at 08:45:09 05/16/08) I bought a starter for my 9N from the link at the left

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and 4 years later it's still workiN just fiNe. (Drive failed in two days ,tho' and so I put the original onto the Chinese starter motor.) Paid $139. Unhappy about China, but it's all they had. It works.


PS- I called the customer service and they issed a $45 refund for the failed bendix. Good service.

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Dunk

05-16-2008 05:47:25




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to APD, 05-16-2008 03:58:07  
I don't see where you inspected the ring gear ALL the way around.

A few bad teeth on a ring gear can and will destroy a starter.



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Dean

05-16-2008 05:36:41




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to APD, 05-16-2008 03:58:07  
APD:

Broken starter nose cones and/or shafts are not uncommon when using 6V starters with 12V batteries.

The reduced cost imported starters are even more susceptable to this type of failure than are the OE starters but I have seen many OE design starters with broken cast iron nose cones after conversion to 12V.

Converting the tractor back to 6V or rewiring the starter for 12V operation will eliminate nearly all of this type of failures.

Dean

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36 coupe

05-17-2008 01:54:50




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to Dean, 05-16-2008 05:36:41  
The rpm of starter motors is depenant on applied voltage.Apply 12v to a 6v starter and the shock load goes way up.Still waiting for some one to do an rpm check on starter motors with twice the design voltage put on them.



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36 coupe

05-16-2008 05:24:47




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 Re: 2 new junk starters... in reply to APD, 05-16-2008 03:58:07  
These new starters are made in India.I have fixed a lot of Ford starters for 10.00 over the years.New Brushes and turn the commutator on some.Neighbor calls a well know city shop and gets a quote of 100.00 to fix a starter on his Ford truck.I put brushes in it for 10 bucks.I have a small shop on a country cross road.Very little work these Days,people run to the city and pay rip off prices.If you do good work at a reasonable price people are suspicious.There are shops that are still doing good work on Ford starters for 25.00.

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