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Tire bead breaking 101

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Sean (TX)

05-19-2008 16:35:32




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Hot, humid and around 90° today....Had to run it over several times to break the beads...Still need to get it off the rim but not today...only 5 bucks at a tire shop but add 20 for gas :roll:
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gshadel

05-20-2008 12:44:55




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
I broken down a couple 4X19 tires on old rusty rims, and broke the tire beads loose with a hand held air hammer/chisel. Works great! About the same as using an tire bead breaker hammer, except the compressed air is doing the work for you. Easy!

George



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Sean (TX)

05-20-2008 11:07:16




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Hobo,NC, 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
Just removed it from the rim. It was a 5 min job...Yesterday I poured plain water on the second bead and ran up on my board a couple more times and it let go...

The rim is rough and going to need some welding. The other rim was not as bad as this one. One must be off another tractor.

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JMOR

05-20-2008 06:13:19




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
Road hauler's tires don't stay on rusty rims for 25 years either. Most modern day 18 wheeler tubeless tires (shallow bead), changed as often as they are will break from the wheel by just stepping on them after air out.

Different worlds.



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D Squared

05-20-2008 05:59:25




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
I worked at a tire store back in the mid 70s. One day a customer pulls up in a 20 foot box truck and wanted 6 new tires. We looked at it and called Clyde, our road service guy. He came up and using only the eqiipment on his truck, jacked it up, swapped 6 tires, and had it ready to go in 45 minutes. He always used a bleach bottle full of gasoline with a 1/8 tube glued to the cap and soaked the bead before he started hammering. slipperyest thing you ever felt. Clyde spent a lot of time changing tires at the Shell depot on the river. They would call and he would spend days doing nothing but changing tires on tanker trailers.

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JMOR

05-20-2008 05:45:29




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to GVSII, 05-19-2008 16:35:32  

Ultradog MN said: (quoted from post at 07:04:45 05/20/08)
Sean, It looks like we're on the same page.

I always change/repair my own tractor tires.

I lay them on the ground and drive right up next to the rim with my front pickup tire. Never failed to work untill yesterday. This one is being downright stubborn to say the least and I'm running out of ideas. I do have a tire hammer but it's 125 miles away. arrrgh

This tire had CaCl in it and it rusted out the stem hole. Was trying to get the tire off so I can fix it. It's an original hat rim so I want to save it.
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Had two of those BAD boys last fall. Tried edge of front end loader of big tractor, slide hammer (beat me down more than tires). Finally cut thru beads with a carbide wheel. Not a good option if want to save tire.

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Ultradog MN

05-20-2008 04:04:45




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
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Sean, It looks like we're on the same page.
I always change/repair my own tractor tires.
I lay them on the ground and drive right up next to the rim with my front pickup tire. Never failed to work untill yesterday. This one is being downright stubborn to say the least and I'm running out of ideas. I do have a tire hammer but it's 125 miles away. arrrgh
This tire had CaCl in it and it rusted out the stem hole. Was trying to get the tire off so I can fix it. It's an original hat rim so I want to save it.

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jon

05-19-2008 20:22:46




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  

old said: Typo should have been 3 decades


You know how it is, we just have to "gouge" when we can. :lol:



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ZANE

05-19-2008 18:16:31




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
I used to break beads something like that way but about 20 years ago I bought a professional bead breaking hammer. It was still pretty much a wrestling match to get most of them broken. One day several years after I bought he breaking hammer I was down at a friends shop and he broke a bead with just a couple of good whacks with his breaking hammer and I told him about having trouble with breaking beads with mine. He asked me if I had sharpened the hammer????? I thought he must be kidding and said no I hadn't. He then showed me the leading edge of his hammer and it came to a point about 1/8" wide. The hammers are about 3/8" wide new. I went straight home and ground the edge of mine down to look like his. Now it is a breeze to break a bead with it. The narrower edge of the hammer makes it penetrate between the bead and rim a lot easier.

I use plain old diesel fuel as a lubricant with fixing tires. It will slick the rubber over soon as you put it on and will evaporate in a few minutes and leave no visible residue. I've been using diesel for breaking lubricant for about 40 years and have never seen any damage to the tire or tube. You can patch a tube that has had diesel on it by cleaning it off with gasoline or a cleaning solvent sold at tire stores.

I figure I have saved several thousands of dollars over the years by fixing my own tires but I can tell you it is not for the faint of heart or somebody who has had an abdominal aortic anurysm but I still do a few from time to time.

Zane

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Anuorism..John,PA

05-20-2008 07:09:46




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to ZANE, 05-19-2008 18:16:31  
Sure hope that you got the belly fixed.

My ex-father in law had one of 'dem. After he was almost killed in a car accident, BALTIMORE, John Hopkins, left him lay for 3 days before trying to "parch" him up. They were sure his anuorism would kill him while he lay unconscious for those 3 days, due to brain damage.

After he awoke, he was "rushed" into surgery to fix the belly, FIRST!

Take care. John

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Dunk

05-19-2008 18:11:42




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
He does go by "old"!!!



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Pete Cowart

05-19-2008 18:09:17




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to JMOR, 05-19-2008 16:35:32  

old said: (quoted from post at 20:49:07 05/19/08) NEVER EVER use an oil based product to help brake down beads on a tire. Oil will make the rubber soft and it also makes it fail faster. Good old dish soap is the only way to go. I've been doing tire repair since I was 16 years old so I've been doing it for more then 30 decades. My self I use a tire hammer easy to brake them down if you practice with them.


30 decades? :shock:
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old

05-19-2008 19:13:02




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Pete Cowart, 05-19-2008 18:09:17  
Typo should have been 3 decades



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jon

05-19-2008 18:06:39




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  

old said: I've been doing it for more then 30 decades.


300 years?? Damn, you are "old"!! :lol:



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old

05-19-2008 17:49:07




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
NEVER EVER use an oil based product to help brake down beads on a tire. Oil will make the rubber soft and it also makes it fail faster. Good old dish soap is the only way to go. I've been doing tire repair since I was 16 years old so I've been doing it for more then 30 decades. My self I use a tire hammer easy to brake them down if you practice with them.



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Ken(Ark)

05-19-2008 17:30:52




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 Anybody ever try this stuff in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
Its a specially formulated liquid for breaking beads . I asked the old timer/owner at the tire shop and he didn't know what I was talking about .
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jon

05-19-2008 17:16:39




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Pete Cowart, 05-19-2008 16:35:32  

bobwv said: (quoted from post at 20:09:02 05/19/08) what is pb blaster?


Some of the best penetrating oil on the market!

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bobwv

05-19-2008 17:09:02




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
what is pb blaster?



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Ken Crisman

05-19-2008 17:14:37




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to bobwv, 05-19-2008 17:09:02  
PB Blaster is a penetrating solvent that is one of the greatest there is . Its sold in auto parts stores or online . Ya oughta try some & be convinced yourself .It's good for almost anything for automotive work & some home repairs . But it sure smells up the house . HTH ! God bless, Ken



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Richard Lisowski

05-19-2008 16:40:27




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Sean (TX), 05-19-2008 16:35:32  
soak the bead with P-B Blaster.



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OneWelder

05-20-2008 10:29:00




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 Re: Tire bead breaking 101 in reply to Richard Lisowski, 05-19-2008 16:40:27  
P B blaster - diesel - kero- or gas - are better choices than soap - we used soap for years than found out it caused a lot more rust !



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