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Randall(AL)

02-10-2000 15:07:57




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Thanks Dave for sharing the pics!!!! Being the "entremanure" I am: I was considering building my own ROPS w/top and I was wondering something? Considering the controversy concerning the weakness of the axle trumpets would the addition of a u-bolt on the inside of the top plate (seatside) that went thru the plate and under the axle housing add some protection against trumpet breakage. This would distribute the force over a larger area of the trumpet thus making a stronger connection. I know the building of your own ROPS is a hotly debated issue but its my own a-- so I'm wanting some input about my u-bolt idea. Stronger or is it gonna be a binding point for certain breakage???? Another thing I'm considering is a 4-point that I know without a doubt is gonna be better than the factory idea if rollover occurs. I also know that a rops is no excuse for sane/safe driving habits but that transportable shadetree would be a god-send raking hay in 100 degree weather. Sorry so long a post.

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Nolan

02-11-2000 03:59:34




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 Re: ROPS FAQs in reply to Randall(AL), 02-10-2000 15:07:57  
If I'm following you rightly, you'd be more likely to break it with a u-bolt then without one. The fender pads on the axle trumpet are flat surfaced, and are flat surfaced underneath the exle for mounting the sway bars. A u-bolt would impart a sharp load on the inner edge of the hole, and not distribute the load like a mounting bracket would.

The axle trumpet failure pictures I saw some time ago had the entire mounting pad ripped out of the axle trumpets. The mounting pad didn't break its ears off, the entire area of the axle trumpet was missing, with many of the axle trumpets being completely broken apart. This is why there is such a question about the graduate student modifications to the mounting. It is rather doubtfull it's simply a change in the way it attaches to the fender mount pad, since that joint didn't fail. It would have to extend beyond that. And none of us have ever been able to find out exactly what it is.

I have seen the recently posted pictures of a ROPS from Safety-Cab. It will probably work adequately on a sideway roll over, once. On a rearward roll over, it's nothing more then a crowbar bolted onto the axle pad. The single weld on the bottom and the minimal footprint it has are adequate for a four point cab, which this company normally makes. But quite inadequate for a simple, unreinforced hoop.

To put it another way, if you tried to show up at a track to race with that as your roll bar, you would be immediately disqualified and prohibited from driving on the track. I can't think of any sanctioning body that would allow a roll bar that poorly engineered to be on a vehicle, for good reason. It is quite inadequate for the job.

If you want to make your ROPS at all decent, start with a four point cage if you can. That is the most effective. If you can't live with that, and must have a single hoop, then at least incorporate brackets and trusses that will distribute the load better and will reinforce the hoop fore and aft so that it has a chance of staying attached if you flip the tractor over backwards. That's why the crash bars on trucks and the single hoop roll bars on sports cars are triangulated. They simply snap off if they are not.

And do not ever go drilling into a ROPS, a roll cage, or a roll bar, to mount lights and such. Weld on tabs and brackets if you must have them and are competent, or else use non-scaring clamp on brackets. Serrated clamps that scar the metal create high stress spots and greatly increase the likelyhood of the unit failing in use. It's just like scoring glass to break it. Which is why it's prohibited by race sanctioning bodies.

For what it's worth, from what little I've seen, the only ROPS I'd consider mounting on my 8N is one I'd build myself, or have built by a racing shop. I shudder at what I see being sold as a ROPS for these old tractors.

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kim hartshorn

02-10-2000 18:05:12




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 Re: ROPS FAQs in reply to Randall(AL), 02-10-2000 15:07:57  
I think it is very important to use #8 hardened fasteners and I am not sure...I have never seen #8 ubolts. I think you would be better off using a top and bottom plate with perhaps a lead casting between the axle trumpets and the plates throughbolted with #8 bolts. It wouldnt be hard to use wax and make a lostwax lead casting.

I made my own ROPS and I worry some about the weld at the base but I am positive the tractor is safer now than it was.

Good Luck

Kim (I posted pictures a few pages back in case anyone wants to check em out)

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Randall(AL)

02-11-2000 13:12:26




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 Re: Re: ROPS FAQs in reply to kim hartshorn, 02-10-2000 18:05:12  
Kim I can't find the pics and I've searched all the back pages and the archives. HELP!!!!!



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Kim Hartshorn

02-11-2000 22:21:49




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 Re: Re: Re: ROPS FAQs in reply to Randall(AL), 02-11-2000 13:12:26  
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Here's the pictures....The N board should have more than 7 back pages available dont you think? How many do those Deere guys get anyway?

The ROPS is welded to the sway bar brackets in the same way that the ROPS on the later 1910's were mounted. (My tractor is a 1500 4wd) Oak suggests 7 degree rake, I thought this was too steep and cut mine at 5 degrees...Oak was right my rake is too shallow. I worry a bit about my welds but the heat penetrated the 1/4 thick brackets and although the welds look pretty ugly they seem sound. In any case the tractor is light compared to most. The price was right...materials cost me $39 including the cuts.

Kim

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