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Voltage regulator problem?

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rick

06-29-1999 13:05:13




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I wonder if I might be having a problem with a voltage regulator on an 8N. After my battery went completely dead, I checked the acid level and it was quite low. Unfortunately I hadn't checked it for several months and had been using the tractor quite frequently. I refilled the battery and it did take a charge. The tractor started and after running it for 30 minutes I noticed the voltage regulator was quite warm to the touch. Is this normal? Anything I should check? Thanks.

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Dell (WA)

06-30-1999 09:56:24




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 Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to rick, 06-29-1999 13:05:13  
Rick..... .I don't ever remember touching my VR and checking it for "warm"..... BUT....

Give your report of "low battery water", I'd say you were "over charging" your battery. Unfortunately, now a days, you can't get a voltage regulator bench checked, its just cheeper to replace rather than check 'em.

Be certain to "polarize" your generator/regulator, follow the VR instructions. I always have to look it up, so I will tell you to do the same, look it up.

Hope this helps..... ...Dell

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Elvy

07-01-1999 00:47:47




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 Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Dell (WA), 06-30-1999 09:56:24  
Regulators ARE NOT polarized.

Generators ARE polarized.

Stay out of trouble.

Elvy



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Dell (WA)

07-01-1999 04:53:07




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 Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Elvy, 07-01-1999 00:47:47  
Elvy..... .and where do the "instructions" tell you to "polarize" at??? At the voltage regulator, of course. (grin)

You may be correct, but I was always under the impression that one of the electormagnet soft iron cores inside the voltage regulator needed to be north/south positive/negative "polarized" too. To respond properly to the direction of current flow.

Respectfully..... ...Dell



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Elvy

07-01-1999 12:12:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Dell (WA), 07-01-1999 04:53:07  
Hello Del,

The three sets of points in a regulator are operated by simple electromagnets which are NOT polarity sensitive. Each set of points is single-pole-single-throw and are opened by spring tension - not reverse polarity.

HOWEVER

The points themselves are made of different materials to reduce particle migration across the vibrating gaps - and longer life. That is why a positive ground regulator should NOT be used on a negative ground system, and visa versa.

The pole shoes for the field windings in a generator, when originally installed - and sometimes after sitting idle for long periods, have no/not enough magnetic field and must be polarized such that the small amount of residual magnetism remaining will start the generator charging in the correct polarity. A generator should always be polarized when re-installed just to make sure that it's polarity is correct.

Polarizing a generator is done simply by touching battery hot to the field terminal - with the case grounded. The armature does not require polarization.

However a general, overall check of a generator can be made by jumpering the field and armature to battery and seeing if the armature turns. If it does, it is probably a good generator.With new bearings/bushings, a small turn by hand might be required to get it started. Do not continue for long. Generators make poor motors and can be smoked by this method.

Toodle & Ooo

Elvy

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Elvy

07-01-1999 12:09:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Dell (WA), 07-01-1999 04:53:07  
Hello Del,

The three sets of points in a regulator are operated by simple electromagnets which are NOT polarity sensitive. Each set of points is single-pole-single-throw and are opened by spring tension - not reverse polarity.

HOWEVER

The points themselves are made of different materials to reduce particle migration across the vibrating gaps - and longer life. That is why a positive ground regulator should NOT be used on a negative ground system, and visa versa.

The pole shoes for the field windings in a generator, when originally installed - and sometimes after sitting idle for long periods, have no/not enough magnetic field and must be polarized such that the small amount of residual magnetism remaining will start the generator charging in the correct polarity. A generator should always be polarized when re-installed just to make sure that it's polarity is correct.

Polarizing a generator is done simply by touching battery hot to the field terminal - with the case grounded. The armature does not require polarization.

However a general, overall check of a generator can be made by jumpering the field and armature to battery and seeing if the armature turns. If it does, it is probably a good generator.With new bearings/bushings, a small turn by hand might be required to get it started. Do not continue for long. Generators make poor motors and can be smoked by this method.

Toodle & Ooo

Elvy

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Elvy

07-01-1999 12:08:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Dell (WA), 07-01-1999 04:53:07  
Hello Del,

The three sets of points in a regulator are operated by simple electromagnets which are NOT polarity sensitive. Each set of points is single-pole-single-throw and are opened by spring tension - not reverse polarity.

HOWEVER

The points themselves are made of different materials to reduce particle migration across the vibrating gaps - and longer life. That is why a positive ground regulator should NOT be used on a negative ground system, and visa versa.

The pole shoes for the field windings in a generator, when originally installed - and sometimes after sitting idle for long periods, have no/not enough magnetic field and must be polarized such that the small amount of residual magnetism remaining will start the generator charging in the correct polarity. A generator should always be polarized when re-installed just to make sure that it's polarity is correct.

Polarizing a generator is done simply by touching battery hot to the field terminal - with the case grounded. The armature does not require polarization.

However a general, overall check of a generator can be made by jumpering the field and armature to battery and seeing if the armature turns. If it does, it is probably a good generator.With new bearings/bushings, a small turn by hand might be required to get it started. Do not continue for long. Generators make poor motors and can be smoked by this method.

Toodle & Ooo

Elvy

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DAVID HAYES

02-10-2001 12:41:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Elvy, 07-01-1999 12:08:11  
You can give me the systeme Macintush?



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Oops! Sorry 'bout 3peat MacInTush was krashing

07-01-1999 12:29:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Elvy, 07-01-1999 12:08:11  
No feedback from crashing computer. 'Got the feared bomb and death chime. Had to reboot.

Elvy



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fear???.......Dell (WA)

07-01-1999 15:32:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Oops! Sorry 'bout 3peat MacInTush was krashing, 07-01-1999 12:29:03  
I fear N-uttin', I drive a N-Tractor (grin)..... ....gotta addmit, I'm having trouble posting too..... ....Dell



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fear???.......Dell (WA)

07-01-1999 15:25:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Oops! Sorry 'bout 3peat MacInTush was krashing, 07-01-1999 12:29:03  
I fear N-uttin', I drive a N-Tractor (grin)..... ....gotta addmit, I'm having trouble posting too..... ....Dell



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fear???.......Dell (WA)

07-01-1999 15:24:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Oops! Sorry 'bout 3peat MacInTush was krashing, 07-01-1999 12:29:03  
I fear N-uttin', I drive a N-Tractor (grin)..... Dell



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Dell (WA)

07-01-1999 04:49:39




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 Re: Re: Re: voltage regulator problem? in reply to Elvy, 07-01-1999 00:47:47  
Elvy..... .and where do the "instructions" tell you to "polarize" at??? At the voltage regulator, of course. (grin)

You may be correct, but I was always under the impression that one of the electormagnet soft iron cores inside the voltage regulator needed to be north/south positive/negative "polarized" too. To respond properly to the direction of current flow.

Respectfully..... ...Dell



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