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Increasing the horse power for a 8nd

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Richard Folk

07-16-1999 11:05:48




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I would like to know how to increase my horse
power for my 8nd ford that would be reasonable
cost. I have a 21 horse power and would like to make it a little more.




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Jim

07-21-1999 03:46:35




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
Bore it 60 over, build up the crank and turn it off center to 4" stroke. Use stock Mercury 49-53 60 over pistons. Relieve the area from the valves to the cylinder. Put in stiffer oil relief spring. Do go with the Petronics electronic ignition. Mill the head and deck the block (only to true it). New carb. Of course the basic enging will have to be build with new stuff, that includes entire valve train, valves, guides & springs. You might find one of the hot rod cam grinders that would take the standard specs and grind you a cam for torque. These are things that are done to the v8 and what you have is exactly 1/2 of a 100HP v8.

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Nolan

07-19-1999 05:54:34




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
The flatty is a horribly inefficient air pump. That's the biggest area to play with. Getting it to flow better. It's also old. There's a lot of things there costing you power from old age and outdated designs. There's a good bit you can do without spending a zillion dollars.

Ignition
free: twiddle with the timing.
cheap: Tune it up. Replace worn old parts. Don't neglect the shaft! Eratic timing costs power.
Not so cheap: Have the distributor put on a curve machine, by a mechanic that knows how to work one. Absurd: High performance replacement ignition, such as a Pertronics.

Carburetion
Free: Adjust
Cheap: Clean
Still cheap: Rebuild kit
Not so cheap: Good rebuild, thottle shaft bushings, etc. Drilling jets.
Expensive: Replacement, with a high(er) performance model (they do exist, but they aren't cheap).

Exhaust:
cheap: Better muffler. The oem types don't flow well.

Air filter:
free: Reduce the volume, and resulting height, of the oil in the filter.
Cheap: Change to a thinner type of oil.
Caution: Both of these operate on the acceptable increased wear idea. If you spend your days plowing dusty fields, don't do this. If on the other hand you only occassionally mow the grass, this can be ok.

Block & head:
free: Remove the head gasket for compression increase.
Cheap: three angle valve job.
Pricy: High compression pistons for the v-8
Very pricy: Decking the block, *properly*.
Absurdly expensive: Stroke the crank.

The rear end of the N is the same as one of the trucks from the era. A fairly hefty truck as I recall. So I wouldn't worry about the rear end dying from a warmed up 4 banger. The transmission is reasonably stout, and I believe it was used up through the hundred series, but I could be wrong on that one. Again, I'd expect it to survive a warmed up 4 banger as well.

For my money, I'd play around with the external stuff (cheap, easy to do). Some of it is basic maintenance anyway. I'd only consider the internals when I got into it for a rebuild.

But if for whatever reason I really felt the need for substantially more power (and a life pto, live hydraulics, 4wd, better gearing, etc), I'd go with a different tractor.

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David (La)

07-17-1999 18:44:19




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
Maybe a homemade intake manifold and a sidedraft webber, and a roller crane cam. Might not get much more horsepower, but I bet the idle would be cool, might need bigger radiator to keep it cool also.



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llamas

07-17-1999 06:07:56




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
The Sherman brothers did market an aluminum head which offered higher compression. This was reportedly designed by Sir Harry Recaro, an English engineer who was a master at optimising gas flow in flat-head motors. You could try for slightly higher compression in other ways. Being a flathead, there's not an awful lot you can get by increasing valve travel although you might be able to do something with valve timing.

Bottom line, it's a slow-running, low-compression flathead motor. That's what makes it run and last so well. Also bear in mind that the transmission etc. are sized to that power level. You need more, trade up to a 600/800 series or a 2000 gas or a Dexta.

llater,

llamas

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dave#1

07-16-1999 16:00:29




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
I wonder, has anyone checked into a aftermarket camshaft ? could that work? Hell, maybe I'll send an e-mail to Crane cams,Competition cams,ect., see what happens.

later,dave



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Dennis N Tx

07-16-1999 13:57:38




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
Nitrous oxide? (grin)



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Freddy

07-16-1999 13:21:51




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
Yep, not a whole bunch you can do. When I rebuilt mine I did have the head milled to raise the compression ration. Overall, the CR increase will not make a great difference. But if the engine is apart not a bad way to go.



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bg

07-16-1999 11:23:53




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 Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to Richard Folk, 07-16-1999 11:05:48  
Sell it and buy a 960. Or put in a 6-cylinder or V-8. There ain't but so much you can squeeze out of the flathead 4. You could bore it, stroke, it blueprint it, put on a racing manifold and carb and a nitrous oxide booster, but there comes a point of diminishing returns, both physically and economically. You want more HP, get a bigger tractor.



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ike

07-16-1999 20:38:12




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 Re: Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to bg, 07-16-1999 11:23:53  
you forgot my favorite... blown. supercharge that baby. don't you think that would be a sight? a large chrome blower sitting on a custom manifold off the side of the block?
in my book... something like that would look just goofy enough to look good. :~)



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bg

07-16-1999 20:44:19




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 Re: Re: Re: increasing the horse power for a 8nd in reply to ike, 07-16-1999 20:38:12  
Maybe a Briggs & Stratton air-cooled, or a Kohler V-2 or a Saab V-4 fitted in there would be nifty. I defer to my previous comment on diminishing returns....



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