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Oil pressure (mike)

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Paul (TN)

07-29-1999 11:10:57




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Mike mentioned oil pump may not be cause but the rod or main bearings. I have removed oil pan already, how can I tell if rod or main bearings need replaced. Sorry for the novice questions. Tractor appeared not to use oil, had plenty of power.




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Mike in NC

07-29-1999 14:07:38




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 Re: oil pressure (mike) in reply to Paul (TN), 07-29-1999 11:10:57  
Paul:
Nolan has given you a really good answer to your question. I would like to add just two cents more - that plastigauge check he mentions is essential. I have checked a crank and bearings and found them both to appear in great shape, but still leaking like crazy. These old tractors usually have had a lot of owners and sometimes one will take short cuts. One short cut I saw most recently was an 8N with brand new standard sized bearings put on a worn and tapered crank. They might as well have left the old bearings on (it would have meant less detective work and cussing on my part). Plastigauge found the problem right away.

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Nolan

07-29-1999 12:15:11




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 Re: oil pressure (mike) in reply to Paul (TN), 07-29-1999 11:10:57  
My two whole cents are that bearings are cheap, and if I'm in an engine to that degree, I'm just going to replace the bearings regardless of their condition.

To eye ball bearings, you're looking for scratches, tears from hard particles, and color changes across the surface. Bearings are made of layers of soft material. As they wear through, the different colors become evident. Any color change is too much wear. The scratches are usually very obvious, and often the piece of grit that caused them will be lodged in the soft bearing. This helps to protect the harder metal in the crankshaft and such from damage.

Also look for spun bearings. A rod bearing is normally jammed into the rod, and has the crankshaft rotating within it. When one gets sput, it will stick to the crankshaft, and spin around in the connecting rod. Very obvious by the scoring on the back of the bearing and on the rod. The rod is destroyed by this.

Plastigage is a means for determining bearing clearance, when installed. You can't use this to measure the bearings or journals for selecting replacement sizes. To select replacements, you must use a micrometer and make actual measurements of the components. You use the plastigage after you've selected and assembled the first time to make sure that you selected the right size, and that they actually sold you the right size.

Where things really bite a novice doing it alone here is in evaluating the condition of things like the rod. For if it's out of round, it can't support the bearing properly, and failure will most likely result. Same those marks on the crankshaft. Some are very significant.

Presuming you're suffering from low oil pressure, other fairly common causes are:
Bad gauge,
Fouled line to gauge,
Worn oil pump,
Worn pressure relief valve,
Weak pressure relieve valve spring,
Stuck pressure relief valve,
Leaking pickup tube,
Excessive cam clearances,
Excessive wrist pin clearances,
Diluted oil,
Excessive engine heat

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ZANE

07-29-1999 14:58:52




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 Re: Re: oil pressure (mike) in reply to Nolan, 07-29-1999 12:15:11  
How is it that oil pressure can be lost because of excessive wrist pin clearance?????



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Nolan

07-30-1999 03:33:12




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 Re: Re: Re: oil pressure (mike) in reply to ZANE, 07-29-1999 14:58:52  
Many engines this too is a pressurized area. If it can't hold pressure, overall pressure goes down.

I take it on the N this is just splash lubed?



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