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Trouble shoot a little deeper.....

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Redbelly (TN)

09-15-1999 12:48:42




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My last post was concerning the possiblity of govenor problems....After having gone back and read about 100 post on the subject....I'm wondering what would cause the govenor (moving on flat ground)to move back and forth in a rythmic pattern....Sitting still it sounds almost like a miss with not as much movement...Could it be something besides the govenor??

Thanks for all your help in advance.




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Tom A in Middletown MD

09-17-1999 05:16:26




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 Re: Trouble shoot a little deeper..... in reply to Redbelly (TN), 09-15-1999 12:48:42  
Don't exclude possibility of an electrical/ignition problem. Not saying that's the answer, but electrical can cause your symptoms, so you should look closer before doing major work on carb and governor.

My experience with similar surge problem turned out to be electrical, not carb as I had originally thought. I had done 'everything' but only made things slightly better, never fixed the problem fully...I finally put it down to old age and wear. Finally, an 85+ year old retired tractor mechanic who was welding an implement for me says--"When you gonna get your tractor running on all cylinders? What do you mean you can't hear that?" Well, he started pulling off the plug wires one-by-one as the tractor was running and sure enough the last cylinder he pulls didn't make any difference--no spark. It was running only on 3, and making that surging you're talking about. Long story short, after asking me some questions, he tells me the problem was with the distributor, and specifically the points. Turns out he was right: the cam was off-center, so the point gap was not consistent thru its rotation... the gap at the closest point was too small and had arced closed, so that cylinder never fired. I replaced the points, gapped them to the 'average' so they all open and close within tolerance and the surge is gone and the tractor runs like it probably hasn't in years...I can accelerate up my big hills in 3d gear while bushogging when before I could barely make it up them in 1st.

Point is: don't settle too soon on fuel system, it could very well be something odd with electrical.

good luck!

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Redbelly(TN)

09-16-1999 12:33:44




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 Re: Trouble shoot a little deeper..... in reply to Redbelly (TN), 09-15-1999 12:48:42  
Thanks for the infor guys....I'll give the carb another look....I have had problems in the past with junk in the tank...I recently took it apart and washed it with a pressure washer...so I may have caused some of the junk to loosen up...Although I did check the elbow screen and it was clean...I'll keep you posted



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Claus

09-15-1999 13:49:24




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 Re: Trouble shoot a little deeper..... in reply to Redbelly (TN), 09-15-1999 12:48:42  
Disconnect the govenor. The engine does not need a govenor to operate. It only helps to maintain a constant speed with engine load changes. Jury rig a rod to the throttle linkage on your carb and operate it that way. If the engine runs smoothly, then one can assume that the govenor and or linkages are the problem. Then troubleshoot from there. Good luck
CLaus



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Claus

09-15-1999 13:49:08




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 Re: Trouble shoot a little deeper..... in reply to Redbelly (TN), 09-15-1999 12:48:42  
Disconnect the govenor. The engine does not need a govenor to operate. It only helps to maintain a constant speed with engine load changes. Jury rig a rod to the throttle linkage on your carb and operate it that way. If the engine runs smoothly, then one can assume that the govenor and or linkages are the problem. Then troubleshoot from there. Good luck
CLaus



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bg

09-15-1999 13:28:37




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 Re: Trouble shoot a little deeper..... in reply to Redbelly (TN), 09-15-1999 12:48:42  
The governor is linked to the carburetor. If the carb is not functioning properly, or the linkage is not correctly adjusted, either from the throttle to the carb or the carb to the governor, the governor can keep trying to make adjustments as the rpm fluctuates. Work on one system at a time, eliminating it as you go.
An overall tuneup may be a good idea, as many carb problems seem to be related to ignition problems. A thorough carb overhaul/cleaning will probably be a good idea, as well. Also make sure the linkage rods are adjusted properly and the spring-loaded keepers on the ends are clean and not binding on the posts where they attach. Take the governor apart and look at the condition of the flyballs and the tapered race they spin against. If the balls are flat-spotted or the race is grooved, they should be renewed.

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Redbelly(TN)....Progress Report!!

09-17-1999 07:38:32




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 Re: Re: Trouble shoot a little deeper..... in reply to bg, 09-15-1999 13:28:37  
Just thought I'd let you know what the problem was.....High speed jets were clogged...I isolated to just the fuel system...And even further than that....I isolated each orfice...blowing one out at a time..Then putting it all back together to see if I was successful...Everything seems to be in working order now...Thanks to everyone to all the info...(It's those darned ol'e original gas tanks)...Maybe one day I can afford to replace

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