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al

09-29-1999 18:01:12




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I have a deerborn tube frame loader on my 8n. It has a trip bucket on it. I want to switch the trip bucket to a hydraulic one. How do I do this. I know that hydralic valves can have multiple spools but I don't know what a spool is. I also don't know what kind of hydraulic cylinder to use. Can some one give me instructions on how to install a hydraulic bucket instead of the trip bucket.

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bg

09-30-1999 05:32:32




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 Re: trip loader in reply to al, 09-29-1999 18:01:12  
Spools are the sliding valve pistons inside the valve body. They are essentially solid rods of steel that have been milled to allow fluid to flow through different ports as the spools are slid back and forth in the valve body.
Get an hydraulic catalog, like Northern Hydraulics. Look for a double-acting(push and pull)cylinder. I don't think you'll need a very large one, but you need to measure the distance that the bucket moves when it tips, so you can get a cylinder that has a long enough reach to accomodate the full range of movement. It also has to have enough capacity to move whatever load is in the bucket. I'd replace the lift control with one with two handles in the same valve body If you have a front-mounted pump, it will probably have enough capacity to run both. The dump(trip)valve will have to be the kind that works both ways with a central null zone, since you will need pressure to both sides of the valve for the double-acting cylinder. I assume the control valve you already have is for a single-acting cylinder that depends on gravity to lower the lift? Most valve bodies have blocks or hose connections that allow multiple configurations.
Once you have the measurements through all phases of movement, it become a matter of welding a bracket to the loader frame and one to the bucket to allow the cylinder to operate without binding anywhere. You just have to decide where to weld it so that it's out of harms way and that it works most efficiently. Take a look at some other loaders to see how they have done it.

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ps....bg

09-30-1999 05:35:46




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 Re: Re: trip loader in reply to bg, 09-30-1999 05:32:32  
Depending on how your loader is plumbed, you may need a flow divider to regulate volume to the two cylinder systems. I'd check with the hydraulic supplier for his recommendation. You need to do a little math for the volume, pressure etc, to match it all up.



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al

09-30-1999 17:35:40




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 Re: Re: Re: trip loader in reply to ps....bg, 09-30-1999 05:35:46  
Thanks for the advice. I am runnung my loader off of the 3 pt hitch hydraulics. I have a valve that closes pressure to the hitch and diverts it to the loader. The same lever that controls the 3 pt hitch controls the loader. I am not quite sure how to plumb this system



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Nolan@erols.com

10-01-1999 04:32:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: trip loader in reply to al, 09-30-1999 17:35:40  
You've just helped me to realize what I saw the other day at an auction. A particular N had a pipe piece brazed onto the transmission cover, and I couldn't figure out why.

Now I think I do know. It would be a fluid return for something cobbed up as you're wanting to do. You can't do a fluid return from a double acting cylinder through the existing lines. But you can if you use the existing hydraulic pump as a constant pressure source, and vent seperately into a return line that just dumps down into the transmission area. That could work. Shouldn't even be to hard to do, though I wouldn't be surprised if I'm missing something, and one of the others points out a flaw (I'm no hydraulic system expert).

And as long as I'm commenting, I'm not sure lack of speed is going to be a problem. I've got a front pump on my loader, and at full throw of the lever, the durn thing is just too fast. The estimates of full speed using the existing pump sound like the sorts of speeds I normally use when operating the loader. Doing it faster just means I drop things, damage things, and bounce the tractor all over the place.

A handy feature of a hydraulic bucket instead of a trip bucket is its ability to get the tractor out of whatever you've gotten stuck in. I've walked my tractor back out of the muck and mire with the bucket more times then I'd care to admit. :-)

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bg

10-01-1999 05:18:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: trip loader in reply to Nolan@erols.com, 10-01-1999 04:32:40  
Why don't you plumb in flow diverter w/ bypass to regulate the speed of the flow?



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