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Making a box blade

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Nolan @erols.co

10-04-1999 09:01:44




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I've got an old regular 5' blade for my tractor. And listening to you folks talk about the wonders of the box blade, I find myself coveting one.

So I find myself wondering if I can make a box blade out of my regular old blade. Simple enough to weld up tabs on the sides of the blade that I can use to bolt on (and remove) the sides of the box. And it sure seems like I could bolt on harrow tips using the bolts that hold on the hardened lip of the blade.

So am I totally wrong for suspecting I could make this work? Am I missing something in my only vague knowledge of what makes box blades nifty?

Sage advise and smart allek comments actively sought.

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JIM(CA)

10-04-1999 20:21:26




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 Re: Making a box blade in reply to Nolan @erols.com, 10-04-1999 09:01:44  
I built one using scrap pieces of 1/4" steel I got from a fab shop. They let me go thru their scrap bin. I angled the blade back about 30 Deg. This added weight as it filled. I made a ripper seperate and used them in sequence. My 9n works them better one at a time. I can pull about 1/2 yard at a time in second gear. I leveled 3 acres and estimated 150 cubic yards of clay soil was moved about 400 ft. If you have a welder your only limited by your imagination.

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JIM(CA)

10-04-1999 20:21:16




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 Re: Making a box blade in reply to Nolan @erols.com, 10-04-1999 09:01:44  
I built one using scrap pieces of 1/4" steel I got from a fab shop. They let me go thru their scrap bin. I angled the blade back about 30 Deg. This added weight as it filled. I made a ripper seperate and used them in sequence. My 9n works them better one at a time. I can pull about 1/2 yard at a time in second gear. I leveled 3 acres and estimated 150 cubic yards of clay soil was moved about 400 ft. If you have a welder your only limited by your imagination.

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george s.

10-04-1999 14:54:29




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 Re: Making a box blade in reply to Nolan @erols.com, 10-04-1999 09:01:44  
Nolan,I have a 5' box, and it is the sides that does the magic,but you can't angle it.I've often thought a blade with wings(like you can get with a snowplow)acting like sides,and a V notched scraper blade,or extra notched blade that you could bolt onto the original using the existing holes,would be the best of both worlds,especially for light to med. work. This might be the invention of a "new" implement!

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Larry 8N75381

10-04-1999 12:59:47




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 Re: Making a box blade in reply to Nolan @erols.com, 10-04-1999 09:01:44  
Nolan,

I have side wings that bolt on my Woods RB700 that I bought from Woods. They are 1/4" thick steel. They are aproximately a rectangle, but with one side trimed to fit the blade curve. There is a flange, 1/4" thick and bent to again fit the blade curvature, and welded to the rectanglar piece. There are matching holes in the flange and moldboard of the blade to bolt the two together. The opposite side from the blade attachment side, has the corners trimed off - like a slight chamfer - so there is not a sharp corner to dig in to the dirt (and act stupid! grin). As I recall they are about one foot long (maybe as much as 18") and the height of the blade.

While these wings are not strong enough to pull as much material as a "real" box blade, I think they are a good addition to a rear blade. You still have all the rear blade functions AND it can function as a small box blade when you need it to.

IF, you added a front support to hold the wings from bending out under load from the material you are dragging, you could make the wings longer. Of course, the front support would need to be securely fastened to the blades center strut.

With this adaptation for a rear blade, I would think your idea for attaching scarfacers would probably work. But I think I would attach the points to a piece of HD pipe/square tubing that would hang over the top edge of the blade. They might also have some way to hook under the bottom of the blade edge. That way you could avoid the bolding/unbolting process. Of course, maybe just a single section of a 3 point hitch chisel tooth harrow could do the same job.

Regards,
Larry

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David (La)

10-04-1999 09:56:01




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 Re: Making a box blade in reply to Nolan @erols.com, 10-04-1999 09:01:44  
I don't see any reason you couldn't make one from your blade. The box blade is very heavy and strong with bolted on hardened blade reinforcements. The bending moments would be great where the rippers attach, mine use about a 2" x 3" box cross member with holes cut for the rippers. This box is welded to each side plate.

Looks like the side plates are the meat, they keep the dirt piled up on the blade so you can drag it around with you.

Mine also has another blade hinged to the back of the main blade so you and push also.

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P.S. David (La)

10-04-1999 11:48:26




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 Re: Re: Making a box blade in reply to David (La), 10-04-1999 09:56:01  
I'm not at home where I can get the measurements but that box support for the rippers is more like 3" x 6" and 1\4" thick. The rippers are about 3\8" thick by 2 1\2" wide with reinforced cutters on a pivot at the end. I bet the side plates are at least 1\4" and maybe more.



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Nolan @erols.com

10-04-1999 12:49:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Making a box blade in reply to P.S. David (La), 10-04-1999 11:48:26  
Don't go knocking yourself out tonight to measure things, especially if it's raining. :-)

I'm just cogitating on the notion of improving my straight blade. I've listened to people wax poetic about the vast superiority of the box blade, and if I can cob up the advantages onto mine, it would seem worthwhile. I'm not planning to go grating the world with it, so "heavy duty" needs are pretty nill. I'll just nibble and take polite bites.

There is something you could tell me to help me understand, and that is what makes the box blade so wonderfull. As I look at them and think, it seems to me that their superiority has to do with the sides simply keeping the dirt in, and not slipping dirt off the sides, and that the rippers are for digging in, as opposed to the way normal blades like to just skid along the surface of hard dirt. Am I right, or is there more to it then that? If I am right, then with some carefull but not very difficult modifications to my regular blade, I could have a bolt on light weight box blade, no?

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Dave Mischler

10-04-1999 16:44:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Making a box blade in reply to Nolan @erols.com, 10-04-1999 12:49:28  
I must humbly suggest that the typical weight of a 6' box blade at 500 lbs or more contributes significantly to the digging action of the teeth. Without down pressure on the hydraulics it is otherwise hard to make the implement dig, as opposed to scratching up the ground a little.



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David (La)

10-04-1999 14:20:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Making a box blade in reply to Nolan @erols.com, 10-04-1999 12:49:28  
I think it is the side plates to hold the load while you drag it out that makes the main difference. The chippers break up the hard clay, also cause the blade to stay down and grab the loose stuff. If I don't use the chippers then the box will tend to skate over the high spots.

The chippers digging in cause the blade to angle down some and dig in also. Once it starts biting and building up on the blade the draft control will almost run it, but it needs to be sensitive. I have used the upper holes on the center mount for more pressure with some success.

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truck

10-04-1999 21:14:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Making a box blade in reply to David (La), 10-04-1999 14:20:26  
I think the comment about the weight being a big factor is dead on. All the mounting bracketry is at a different location and heftier than what would normally be on a swiveling back blade.Also because of the lack of swivel, the box blade can be closer to the tractor, and thereby stronger. JUst for grins, step on down to the local Farm and Family store and compare them. You will see there is are some basic differences. I think if you were to make an effective box out of your scraper it might be more practical to just build the scraper from scratch.

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