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2N polarity question FO4 observation

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Ron (MN)

10-05-1999 16:49:26




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I purchased my 2n with a negative ground hookup. If I correct the battery connections why won't the starter try to turn in the wrong direction?Also, section 72 in the FO4 says to polarize the generator field terminal with the battery (?). Does this mean to run a jumper wire from the negative battery terminal and "spark" it against the only terminal on the generator?

OBSERVATION: The cover of my just purchased FO4 says " for the experienced mechanic" but the introduction says it's for " anyone with minimal experience and mechanical ability ".

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Jim WI

10-06-1999 11:05:51




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 Re: 2N polarity question FO4 observation in reply to Ron (MN), 10-05-1999 16:49:26  
Negative ground is incorrect but won't make a dramatic difference in warm weather (some claim the difference shows up in cold weather as weaker spark because of the incorrect coil polarity -- I don't have enough experience to know).

To change from negative to postive ground on a 2N:
1) Swap the battery cables
2) Repolarize the generator by momentarily connecting a wire from the negative terminal of the battery to the output terminal of the generator.

That's it. Nothing else is required - but now on to the theory portion of why the starter doesn't care about polarity.

Starters and generators both operate by the interplay of two magnetic fields.

Imagine two bar magnets. When the North pole of magnet 1 is brought near the South pole of magnet 2, the two magnets attract each other. If you swap the polarity of the magnets, the South pole of magnet 1 will attract the North pole of magnet 2.

In the starter, swapping the polarity of the input power changes the polarity of both magnetic fields. This results in the starter turning in the same direction regardless of polarity.

This would also be true of the generator, except for one thing - residual magnetism. Generators begin developing their output power when spun by using whatever magnetic field is present in their field poles. The polarity of that residual magnetic field is determined by the polarity of the field during the generator's last operation.

When you swap the polarity of the electrical system, the generator will still start up with the previous polarity. Momentarily connecting a wire from the battery to the output terminal of the generator (can be done by just jumping around the cut-out relay) will establish the correct magnetic field in the generator. (Note that this applies to the 1-wire 3-brush generator only -- other generators are polarized slightly differently.)

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Ron

10-06-1999 17:39:03




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 Re: Re: 2N polarity question FO4 observation in reply to Jim WI, 10-06-1999 11:05:51  
Thanks to all of you for the instruction and education.....I feel "experienced" already.



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llamas

10-06-1999 03:54:06




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 Re: 2N polarity question FO4 observation in reply to Ron (MN), 10-05-1999 16:49:26  
It has been observed here before that the "generator" paragraphs in some editions of the FO4 manual are extraordinarily confusing. Diagrams are misnumbered and the sections are not rationally organized as far as differentiating between third-brush (one-terminal) and two-brush (two-terminal) generators. Watch for this and read with care. I believe Claus had a roadmap for figuring this out.

llater,

llamas

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bg

10-05-1999 19:39:55




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 Re: 2N polarity question FO4 observation in reply to Ron (MN), 10-05-1999 16:49:26  
If you aren't experienced when you start, you will be when you finish!



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ZANE

10-05-1999 18:11:34




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 Re: 2N polarity question FO4 observation in reply to Ron (MN), 10-05-1999 16:49:26  
Leave the positive ground. That is the way it is designed to be hooked up.
The starter would not turn in the opposite direction even if you did reverse the battery connection.It has nothing to do with how the starter turns.
To polarize the generator strike the wire that comes to the cut out on the output post of the generator.Unhook it first though.Do this with the battery positive ground.

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Claus

10-05-1999 17:40:00




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 Re: 2N polarity question FO4 observation in reply to Ron (MN), 10-05-1999 16:49:26  
No. The starter does not care about polarity. The generator does. That is why you would have to polarize it when you change polarity. To polarize it, you would connect the hot lead of the battery to the only terminal on the generator. I say hot lead as not to confuse the issue. By hot lead, I am referring to the lead that does not connect to the chassis. Forget about what you read, on manuals and others about the level of expetise required to service the tractor. It was sold to farmers who had no way of getting the tractor to the shop with the idea in mind that you can do the servicing with a jack knife and some bubble gum on one hand and others say you must be an experienced mechanic. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Happy Motoring
Claus

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