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Safty and Backward tipups, a solution??

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Phil R (IL)

10-18-1999 16:47:30




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After reading all the recent posts about backward tips (which I remember being warned about and experiencing as a kid driving these things), I wondered if it would be possible to devise an adjustable gravity activated switch in the hot wire to the ignition (i.e., something like a mercury switch). When the beast rears up, the switch would cut off the power to the ignition system. By being adjustable, one could set it for various angles to handle hilly terrain. The sidways tip might be a different story. Just a thought that I have had for a spell but not the time to tinker with it. (Nolan, thanks for your input!!!)

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TG (Where's the ROPS?)

10-19-1999 18:31:33




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 Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Phil R (IL), 10-18-1999 16:47:30  
I keep seeing reference to N-ROPS including those made by New Holland, but I have yet to see a link to such a photo or site. I looked all over the New Holland website and also contacted them without good results. Can anyone show us or send us where we could see and perhaps buy a ROPS for an N tractor.



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Smoot

10-20-1999 13:45:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to DaveJ-OH, 10-20-1999 05:10:54  
I called my local New Holland Dealer who could get me a ROPS for like $100 over what it would cost me to buy it direct from the manufacturer. They referred me to a place called Saf-T-Cab in Fresno, CA. They manufacture them as ordered. I suspect your local New Holland Dealer has a source close to their locale. FYI: I also called another New Holland Dealer who was clueless and told me he didn't think they made them for 8Ns.
At any rate, Saf-T-Cab's address and phone number is:

3241 South Parkway Drive
Fresno, CA 93745
1-800-344-7491

The breakdown of the cost is $490 for the ROPS, then add tax (if in CA, I guess), then shipping.

I saw an earlier link where a guy said you can make them pretty cheaply...and another caution saying that if you make one, make sure you have a seatbelt.

I just ordered one the other day. It takes like two weeks to manufacture one, and they ship to your door...good luck!

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Terry

10-19-1999 05:23:14




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 Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Phil R (IL), 10-18-1999 16:47:30  

I actually see both sides of the issue,there are a lot of times that the worst thing to do would shut down the engine,and the same goes for pushing in the clutch.I myself prefer the"wheelie" or skid bars on the back of the tractor.(How often do you see pulling tractors go over backwards?)As far as a roll bar,they are fairly easy to build,and easy to mounton the "N" .I have put one on my 52 because I do a lot of "hogging "with it.Good luck,and Happy "N"ing!!!

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Darryl (Mo)

10-19-1999 11:03:28




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 Re: Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Terry, 10-19-1999 05:23:14  
Along with the ROPS bar a seat belt needs to be used. If you leave the seat in a rollover the ROPS bar can crush you same as the tractor can. I mow a lot at work with a K#*@%a with ROPS and seat belt and find that the belt actually makes slope mowing more comfortable by not having to 'brace' so hard to stay in proper place. My .02 worth.

Regards,
Darryl 8N210077 'Wheezer'



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Nolan

10-19-1999 04:39:31




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 Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Phil R (IL), 10-18-1999 16:47:30  
Outboard motors almost all have a switch of this type mounted on them for this exact reason. Tip the motor far enough out of the water, and the engine shuts down. Those mercury switches are sealed for foul weather, and have a range of adjustment via slotted screw hole(s). Virtually every boat shop should have them available.

I like your idea enough that I'm going to be mounting it on mine. Simple enough to do, and a nice backup safety. Primary safety will always have to be me and my brain. As in don't hook up things to the top link, measure the angle of that steep slope, etc. But it would certainly be nice to have a 60 degree or so backup safety.

As for the notion that you cannot flip with impliments on back, oh yes you can. Go brush hogging up a steep enough incline, and accidently climb a stump with the front wheel. You could find yourself going over backwards. There's a whole lot of upwards freeplay in the hitch that will allow the tractor to come over backwards quite a ways before attempting to stop it by topping out the lift motion. I wouldn't ever put my faith in the hitches ability to catch my falling tractor and prevent it from finishing going over all the way backwards.

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llamas

10-19-1999 06:03:40




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 Re: Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Nolan, 10-19-1999 04:39:31  
Especially when, as many people do, you are using a chain toplink to allow the hog to jump stump.

llater,

llamas



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Jim

10-19-1999 03:40:34




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 Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Phil R (IL), 10-18-1999 16:47:30  
Maybe I missed something here. How do you go over backward with a implement on? One of the good things to have in hilly country like where I am at is a set of front wheel weights for the 16" wheels. I can still get the front wheels off the ground with my NAA but sure can steer it a lot better when I am bushogging etc. Anything that makes steering better in dangerous places has to be good. I do not know if there was ever a wheel weight set designed and sold for the 19" wheel, would sure like to have a set for my old 9N.

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dave

10-18-1999 20:05:36




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 Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Phil R (IL), 10-18-1999 16:47:30  
a good way to do it would be to attach some kind of electronic gizmo thingee to like a leveling bubble thingee..when the electronic gizmo sees the level bubble go to much to the tip side it would depress the clutch(much safer in my opinion than just shutting down the engine)..it could have its drawbacks such if maybe your going up a hill and it activates then your flying down the hill backwards and maybe your brakes don't work so good( like mine)..I just always keep my foot hovering over the clutch pedal whenever I do anything that may remotely cause a backflip..

Dave

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EricG.NH

10-18-1999 17:20:39




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 Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Phil R (IL), 10-18-1999 16:47:30  
It's definately doable and may already exist. We'd also have to ask the question, Is it any safer? Are there times, that if the engine died or cut off it would make the situation worst? There are mechanical solutions as well, such as wheelie bars. Personally, I think the wheelie bar is a safer bet for flips. Rollovers are a different story.
Eric



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llamas

10-18-1999 17:13:33




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 Re: Safty and Backward tipups, a solution?? in reply to Phil R (IL), 10-18-1999 16:47:30  
The original Fordson on steel was famous for rearing up and over and pinning the operator. As early as 1919, some enterprising entrepreneur was marketing a gravity-operated magneto cutout to prevent this. It sometimes even worked, although the motor had great inertia and even without spark, could continue to spin enough to complete the inversion.

I believe there was also a clutch pedal trip mechanism, operated by a link going back to the plow hitch.

llater,

llamas

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