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Whine in rear end of Ford 2N

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Art

11-23-1999 10:18:55




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I Have a Ford 2N that I have fixed everthing on except a whine that I have in the rear end. This whine happens in all three gears and reverse, it does not occur at a stand still or with the clutch depressed. Is there a common thing to check, Bearings?? Ring Gear?? Pinnion Gear??

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Art




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Nolan

11-24-1999 06:08:12




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 Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to Art, 11-23-1999 10:18:55  
I'll pipe in as well on it being the gears, and not the bearings. Bearings tend to rumble, not whine.

Now truthfully (at least for me) the ole tractor just doesn't get driven that much. So I don't revolve the rear end gears that much. Heck, I probably spin the differential more in my car on one commute to work then I do the tractor all year. And even if I really worked the tractor a lot, it just doesn't move that fast, so it doesn't revolve the differential much. I think you've got a little time before doing bad wear to the teeth.

The tractor is pretty simple and open. So I'd be willing to try doing this job myself. Personally, I've never done a rear end. But since I could afford to lay the tractor up for a little while while I figured it out, I'd be willing to try it. If for nothing else then the experience. If I fail, I'd have no losses as in both cases the tractor would have to be trailered to a repair facility. So nothing lost by trying and learning.

There are excellent books and booklets covering rear ends and the gear tooth interfaces. It's actually a pretty straight forward concept to grasp if you take your time.

Now one other thing to check with the gears before you go tearing it down, does it matter if you turn the tractor? If it does, look at your spider gears. I had a set that growled in my old RX-7. Very identifyable by the change in tone when turning. And, they lasted at least the 200K miles I had on the car when I sold it, including god knows how many weeks running dry at around 120K because the differential unbolted it's nose and drained its oil out. I noticed it finally when doing some other work.

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tOTG

11-23-1999 19:28:15




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 Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to Art, 11-23-1999 10:18:55  
Heavy oil makes the gears run quieter. Whenever I change out from 80W90 to 134, I notice a whine.

John.CO



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Whatsit mean, John?........Jim(UT)

11-23-1999 20:56:08




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 Re: Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to tOTG, 11-23-1999 19:28:15  
John, I like figuring out obscure acronyms and usually I can do it without having to ask, but tOTG has got me stumped. Whats it mean?



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bg

11-24-1999 05:06:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to Whatsit mean, John?........Jim(UT), 11-23-1999 20:56:08  
means "the Old Tractor Guy." We haven't figgered out if it's "The Old" Tractor Guy or the the "Old Tractor" Guy, but since he doesn't capitalize the first "t", it must be the "Old Tractor" Guy.



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tOTG

11-24-1999 06:47:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to bg, 11-24-1999 05:06:07  
I've used this moniker on my business card for about 10 years. Initially, I was thinking of old tractors, but as time passes I'm thinking the emphasis should be on old guy.

Several years ago I read one of Roger Welsh's books in which he used the same reference. At first I was pleased, wondering if somehow one of my cards had made its way to him. But a few years ago Roger corresponded with my daughter's good friend Mr llamas, and Roger showed himself to be a pompous bore. I nearly dropped the acronym to avoid a chance connection to Roger, but I just can't. Old Tractor Guy describes me, no matter where you put the emphasis.

John.COLO

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bg

11-23-1999 12:27:19




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 Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to Art, 11-23-1999 10:18:55  
Possibly pinion and ring gear wear, bearings, adjustment or combination. If the noise is a whine and not a rhythmic metallic grinding, it is likely the pinion and ring gear. Could be something as simple as thrust washers or shims will cure it. Examine the pinion and ring gear for wear patterns as evidenced by shiny contact surfaces.If you don't have an FO-4 manual, get one. It has info on bearing pre-loads, etc.

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11-23-1999 12:27:18




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 Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to Art, 11-23-1999 10:18:55  
Possibly pinion and ring gear wear, bearings, adjustment or combination. If the noise is a whine and not a rhythmic metallic grinding, it is likely the pinion and ring gear. Could be something as simple as thrust washers or shims will cure it. Examine the pinion and ring gear for wear patterns as evidenced by shiny contact surfaces.If you don't have an FO-4 manual, get one. It has info on bearing pre-loads, etc.

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ZANE

11-24-1999 04:15:15




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 Re: Re: Whine in rear end of Ford 2N in reply to bg, 11-23-1999 12:27:18  
The main thing that makes a ring gear and pinion whine is mis alignment of the teeth when they come to mesh with each other.
You need to look into the problem now and not much later because the misalignment of the teeth will really do a job on the ring gear and pinion.
The gears can be mis aligned when one or both of the gears are set so that they are either too far in or too far out in respect to the other gear.
This is the one repair job that takes a good deal of study to find out which gear needs to be re aligned or readjusted.
On the N tractor it is all done with shims and it is really hard to tell which way to go.Wheather it is in too far or out too far. Usually the problem is going to be that one or more of the bearings has worn till it is letting the gear back out far enough that the gears no longer mesh properly.
There is a dye that can be painted on the gears and then the gears turned to see the pattern of the gear as it tracks across the other gear.
Some times you can tell the place where the gears are contacting be introducing a strip of paper between the gears as they are turned and the resulting pattern can be observed when the paper comes out on the other side.
If the retainer nuts on the pinion shaft come loose from wear that can cause the pinion gear to push out from the ring gear and cause a whine. Usually though the bearing will be worn and not the retainer nuts loose unless some one has been into the rear end before and didn't get the lock done right.
You can see if the pinion shaft retainer nuts are tight by removeing the inspection plates on one or both sides of the lift housing and inspecting them without opening up the differential. If they are just loose you may be able to fix it without going in the differential.They can be tightened with a hammer and chisel. You may have to take off the lift cover housing in order to make it more accessable.

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