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Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions

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Aaron

09-05-2002 18:18:57

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I am interested in buying an Oliver tractor to farm aprox. 80 acres with, but I'm not sure which model to go with (77, super 77, 88, or super 88). I think the super 77 is what I realy want, but I am completely new to oliver tractors and dont know a whole lot about tractors in general so any info anyone could give me would be apriciated.
1). Did any of the models I mentioned come with a 3 point hitch and hydrolics?
2). If I end up with one with a narrow front end could I put a wide front on? How much money/work?
3). Which is better: gas or diesel? Why?
4). What is the difference between: a 77 and a 88? a rowcrop and a super?
5). Are these tractors usualy pretty capable/dependable? how available are parts? How many plows are they meant to pull? harrower? (I dont very much at all about implements yet)
Thank you for your time and input. It just might help keep an old Oliver tractor going and help a young person get started farming.

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Joe Hill

09-08-2002 10:53:01

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Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to Aaron, 09-05-2002 18:18:57

Aaron, the Super 77 and 88 did offer the 3-point as a option. We owned a Super 88 with the factory 3-point, it was a 56 or 57 model. Hope that helps.

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09-07-2002 14:52:51

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Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to Aaron, 09-05-2002 18:18:57

A few years after the super 77 and 88, Oliver started building tractors with 3 point hitches and all kinds of options. Maybe you could widen your search to these tractors from the early 60"s. Just an option. Buy an Oliver and maintain and don't abuse it and you'll be surprised how long it will go. Maybe 26 years more!!!!....

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JD guy

09-06-2002 19:21:27

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Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to Aaron, 09-05-2002 18:18:57

80 acres?? Buy a real tractor! A John Deere 4020. You'll have a 3 point, and all the other good stuff.

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hoss

09-06-2002 20:07:50

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Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to JD guy, 09-06-2002 19:21:27

I dont think he wants to go broke by buying a john deere

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JD guy

09-07-2002 04:34:01

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Re: Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to hoss, 09-06-2002 20:07:50

I owned my 4020 for 26 years, on 40 acres.
It was payed for the day i bought it.
You'll go broke just trying to keep a IH or Oliver running, and your paying the Agco price for parts.

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yep

09-17-2002 11:35:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to JD guy, 09-07-2002 04:34:01

about 40 acres is all any piece of junk JD can handle. Lucky you didn't have more or your 4020 would have been wore out pulling its 6 or 8 foot disc. Gutless wonders those 4020's.

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Gary

09-08-2002 12:17:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to JD guy, 09-07-2002 04:34:01

It's a good thing you only had 40 acres or you would still be paying for it.

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I'll bet you had to have 180 acres or more to pay for your !@#$%* Oliver tractors

09-08-2002 16:50:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to Gary, 09-08-2002 12:17:05

Just got back from a show. I had my 4020 at it, there was a Oliver 1800 down the row from my 4020. I looked at that 1800 really good. I'm glad i have my 4020!

The 1800 don't have.

Much of a seat
1000 rpm PTO
Syncro range or power shift transmission
Hydraulic power brakes
Rack and Pinion wheel adjustment

This is just some of the things the 1800 don't have compared to the 4020

And just think! it took 180 acres or more to pay for you Oliver, and only 40 to pay for my 4020. And best of all, even today i could sell my 4020 for $8000 or $10.000. If i had that 1800 i would be lucky to get $3000

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09-07-2002 14:48:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to JD guy, 09-07-2002 04:34:01

Sometimes it's just easier to answer the question as asked. If all your experience with 1 JD 4020 has been good, more power to you, but don't dump on an Oliver guy because of your justifiable pride in your 1 machine,which, when it does need parts and you start buying 2 and 3 dollar washers and all the other ridiculus john deere prices, I mean come on, I don't think John Deeres were immune from bad care or excessive wear and tear. I own a John deere 420 c and an oliver super 55, same vintage and I can tell you, the dozer has needed more expensive parts than I imagined was possible. I know the history of both machines for the past 30 years and they were both used hard and abused some. There appears to be little difference really. So, answer the question as asked and make this new oliver guy happy and keep the pride in the John Deere for the John Deere discussion board..... ..... .

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j meyer

09-08-2002 20:14:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to JD, 09-07-2002 14:48:33

I am glad to hear this John Deere fan with his post. He didnt come on here bashing Olivers, but just to help a person in need. On the other hand, whoever this "JD Guy" is, he really needs to quit his act. Come on, why do you hate Olivers so bad??? You must be threatened by our Green paint. Your list of positives for Deere arent all positives by any means. Sure, the 1800 wasnt the best offering by Oliver, but why bash our color. Match your pride 4020 with an 1850 Perkins. Now your going head to head with a true workhorse and I would take Oliver hands down. Apples to apples, Oranges to oranges. And to think, this guy posted to find out thoughts on Row Crop 77 vs. Super 77. How quickly this got off track. My thoughts for today....

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Mike in Ohio

09-06-2002 06:36:45

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Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to Aaron, 09-05-2002 18:18:57

Hi Aaron--
I would think 80 acres would justify a Super 88. It will have more power for tillage than the others. They were considered a full 4 plow tractor, but in my experience under some conditions 3 plows would be a better match (in heavy clay soils especially). A Super 88 will handle a 10 foot disc harrow with no problem. I am not sure if any of the later Super series tractors were factory equipped with a 3 point hitch, but if you need one they are available aftermarket for around $700 US. Remote hydraulics was a common option which you should try to get. If you plan to add 3PH make sure your tractor has a double spool hydraulic system, that is two lever controls. You can change a tricycle front end to a wide front, but I don't know about cost. My thought is that you are better off with the narrow front. The wide front just gets in the way and has more parts to be damaged or wear out. Many people are afraid that a tricycle tractor will turn over too easily, but that's not a big concern unless you are operating on steep slopes. Even then the center of gravity is about the same for either configuration.
The Super series has more power than the older Fleetline tractors. Supers also have the flat mounting pads cast into the sides and front of the front frame for mounting implements such as cultivators. The Fleetlines only had large holes in the frame for this type of equipment which meant you must disassemble the implement and reassemble it on the tractor, as opposed to just bolting it on to the later models. I would prefer a gas engine. They are easier to service and maintain, especially if you are just learning. Also Oliver Diesels of that era were bad about cracking the head and block. They were basically a gas block with a diesel head bolted on. The gas block couldn't stand up to the stresses imposed by the high compression of diesel operation.
In general, they are pretty dependable tractors if they have had reasonable care. Parts are still available thru AGCO. Engine parts can be had from parts houses such as NAPA. Most casting type parts (gears, blocks, heads, etc.) can still be found in the many "junkyards" around the country. Also there are many good online sources for parts, as referred to in many of the posts in this forum.
I hope this helps you with your decision and good luck in your new venture.
Mike

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get the facts straight!!

09-17-2002 11:38:33

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Re: Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to Mike in Ohio, 09-06-2002 06:36:45

Oliver used the diesel block to build a gas engine. I have never heard of a cracked head or block in a maintained oliver tractor.

I repeat, the DIESEL block was used to build the gas engine.

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Jerry B

09-06-2002 06:08:21

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Re: Oliver 77 vs. super 77 questions in reply to Aaron, 09-05-2002 18:18:57

1) Hydraulics were availible as "hydra-electric". 3 point hitches are availible as aftermarket items.
2)Front ends are easily changed out. about $400-$500 for a wide front end and half a days work to change.
3) personal choice here. Some don't like the gas because Olivers are thirsty. Some don't like diesel because heads are apt to crack near the injector. The frame design lends itself to a transplant to a later model engine should you desire to do so.
4)88's are a bit larger and have more horse power. Supers have a little more HP than the regulars. Row crops have narrow front ends or adjustable wide front ends. Standards have a non-adjustable straight axle.
5)Capable and dependable. Parts are availible from aftermarket manufacturers and salvage yards around the country. 88 is a 3 bottom plow tractor.

That is about all I can tell you.

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