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Oliver Green, which is correct?

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Adam Suess

03-11-2005 19:43:16

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My 2255 gets painted monday. I need to find the correct paint. I've come up with 5 differnet shades using codes I have collected over the years. All claim to be the correct oliver paint. Does any one have a paint code for a 1973 2255, has used the paint and found it correct? I want this one done right. Should I just use agco paint? Thanks, Adam Suess

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880mistgreenguy

03-12-2005 09:14:13

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to Adam Suess, 03-11-2005 19:43:16

Adam, Lyle Dumont down in Sigourney, Iowa is an Oliver green guru when it comes to correct colors and decals. His paint codes are for Martin-Senour paint. For meadow green his codes are 99L-3751. He should know colors, his collection at the museum house over 100 tractors. Hope this helps.....

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Don-Wi

03-11-2005 22:56:48

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to Adam Suess, 03-11-2005 19:43:16

I have a little bit of centari right now, my brother is gonna paint the engine this weekend. He's also going to do a spray out of the color to actually see a larger amount of paint other than the dab on the lid. The green looks really good from what I can tell, and the white has just a tint of green to it, but hard to tell without something to spray it on. Codes are: Green 6202 White LS129

The first younger guy couldn't find the green, but when the older guy did it he found it, just took some digging. I think the can's label said on it "National Fleet Green", but I don't have it right now so I can't say. I'll let everyone know how it turns out, and post a few pictures also.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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j meyer

03-11-2005 20:02:01

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to Adam Suess, 03-11-2005 19:43:16

the Agco Meadow Green should be pretty fool-proof for you Adam. Nothing looks worse then a off colored tractor, and it seems like an Oliver will always show it.

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WFE

03-11-2005 21:06:28

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to j meyer, 03-11-2005 20:02:01

Right you are, Justin. Too many of these 50 and 55 series Ollies get a coat of green that is far too dark. The clover white is equally hard to match to original Oliver. None that I have found are 'dead-on' and need to be adjusted by custom-mixing. Adam, what I would do is take your time and if you can put off the painting for a few days beyond Monday, and there is some original paint somewhere on the tractor, get it computer-matched to that protected paint. The best areas to look will probably be in/around the rear end housing, especially if those areas have been covered with grease and protected from sun-fade. The underside of fenders or side panels are also often good for paint matching. When I have tried to use AGCO meadow green to paint areas of one of these Olivers, it comes very, very close to matching the original paint, but is still a bit too dark, unless there is inconsistency in the AGCO meadow green. I have used the Martin-Senour Oliver green recommended by Lyle Dumont, and like it very well. It costs about twice as much, but the color and quality of shine once cured is like an automotive finish, well worth the extra. You might try adding some hardener in whatever you choose to work with for that extra luster. Take pictures, or better yet, Justin and I will come over to see it once it's done, and drool!!

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VADAVE

03-12-2005 16:52:37

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to WFE, 03-11-2005 21:06:28

I took one of the white (well clover white) side panels off and underneath was a real nicely protected green paint. Myself and three other guys could tell the diference between that green and John Deere green. I want to tell you those three John Deere enthusists didn"t want that paint to match but it did. Maybe the tractor had been painted before but I don"t think so.

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Adam Suess

03-13-2005 08:33:58

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to VADAVE, 03-12-2005 16:52:37

I pulled some protected parts from the 2255, 1755 and my 5555 combine and compaired them to a protected part from a John Deere 8100. The oliver parts are noticably darker. I also found some original oliver paint from the late 60's on the shelf in the machene shed. It seems to match up with agco's paint very close and is very close to the parts. I going to take the parts and paint in to compair to oliver paints they have mixed for others if I do not find a match I'm happy with I'm probably going with agco. I would prefer automotive paint and the dumont color is a possibility. It seems agco's clover white may be a bit too green but I like it. Thanks for the responces.

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Randy-IA

03-13-2005 10:15:00

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to Adam Suess, 03-13-2005 08:33:58

Hi , Ok, Is everyone now coming to a concensus that if close enough is OK then AgCo paint will work ? At least the Meadow Green ? I've been watching this thread closely because my 1755 is close to completion . I used AgCo paint on the motor but I'm not a collector so the "close enough" was good for me , besides I have to use rattle cans . But I still want it as close as I can get it and still use the rattle cans . To me it looks like the clover white AgCo paint has meadow green overspray on it , it's that green . But once again that's what I'm using because it's in rattle cans . I still want to know what is universally excepted so when I can afford to get it done right I'll be able to get the correct paint , or is it that easy ? In the meantime I guess it's AgCo for my tractor ( sigh ! ) ...Randy

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Adam Suess

03-13-2005 12:57:42

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to Randy-IA, 03-13-2005 10:15:00

I painted my 77 diesel using agco paint and a cheap napa spray gun in early 1997. The tractor has since seen well over 1000 hrs use. Much of it in extream conditions and it sits out alot. Looks pretty good considering. It is starting to fade noticably. A automotive paint in my opinion would be less prone to fadeing. That is the only reason I'm looking beyond agco. My tractors are work tractors that I like to look decent and take to shows occasionaly. The 2255 while not usially subject to operating in as extream conditions like the 77 does, it will still have to sit out more than I'd like. This photo of that 77 was taken in 2000 or so all agco paint except for the yellow which did not stand up at all. Note the front axle is actually agco spray paint as are the duals. The spray paint has not held up near as well as the regular paint with the gun. I expected that though.

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Adam Suess

03-13-2005 13:11:44

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to Adam Suess, 03-13-2005 12:57:42

Here is a photo (not very good) of the 1755 I painted a few years ago. This was using a carquest paint that was around at the time. Far to dark. Looks more like paint for a early hartparr 70. The wheels are agco clover white. The stuff in the can does not seem to be as green as the spray paint. After a few years the green fades out a bit and looks a bit closer to what you find behind the hub. Like I said I like the greenish wheels. Olivers with bright white wheels don't look good in my opinion. I'll keep the board posted on what I use and how it turns out. Thanks, Adam Suess

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Randy-IA

03-13-2005 16:58:22

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to Adam Suess, 03-13-2005 13:11:44

Hi , The 77 looks good ! You're right though , I can't see the 1755 very good -Too bad ! I know rattle cans don't have the amounts of solids in them that a good sprayable paint does so they fade quicker and aren't as durable to scratching etc. But it's all I can do right now . The guy working on my tractor is a great mechanic but he doesn't paint at his shop sooo ... rattle cans . It's just to hard to haul a tractor that size all over town . After it's running I can paint it outside at my place . It's not something I've done much of . Good luck with the new paint job ...Randy

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WFE

03-12-2005 19:24:40

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to VADAVE, 03-12-2005 16:52:37

I think you're right, Meadow Green is quite close to that other, imitation green. The Oliver shade should be just a tad darker, which is probably more apparent in bright, natural light. Good thing what's underneath that paint is different. I am forever grateful that, "Nothing (else) runs like a Deere"!

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j meyer

03-12-2005 04:37:57

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Re: Oliver Green, which is correct? in reply to WFE, 03-11-2005 21:06:28

haha, I'd be up to coming over to the Mankato area:) Drop me an email Cory if you have the chance, I'm not sure if I got your email or not anymore. Otherwise let me know and I'll uncover mine on here. I better get going to Spring Valley- have a good one!

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