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Cummins in a 1650? Shep this has your name all ov

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Jake in NY

06-16-2005 15:03:22




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We have the motor apart on the 1650. Mice built a rye fort in the #6 cylinder. It needs a rebuild anyway, and has for years. Local Agco dealer wants at least $6000 to do it. That got me thinking about a Cummins, since I've always wanted to repower something with a Cummins.

How big a deal would it be? 1850 tub and bellhousing and White 80 clutch? Could it be done for $6000 if I do most of the work?

Jake

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Shep Va

06-17-2005 05:05:07




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 Re: Cummins in a 1650? Shep this has your name al in reply to Jake in NY, 06-16-2005 15:03:22  
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I repowered a 1655 with a 5.9L Cummins engine with no turbo a few years ago. It can be done and it makes a really nice tractor when you get finished, but it is probably one of the hardest conversions I have done.

The problem with this conversion is that you cannot use another frame in the front, the 1850 frame will not bolt up to the 1655 rear, it is too wide. So you have to knock the engine mounts out of the frame and either knock some of the bottom out for the oil pan or like I did, make a new oil pan that will fit through the hole.

Going from a 265 or a 283 ci engine to a 360 ci engine in the same space in a 16xx tractor is a very tight fit. There is not much room to work and not much room for error. You do use the White American 60 or 80 flywheel, clutch, and PTO hub and use the 1850 diesel bell housing, only upside down because the clutch lever is backwards from an 1850 (who woulda thunk that!!)

I have two 1655 tractors, a wide front Cummins powered tractor dynoed at 83HP and a narrow front 283 Waukesha tractor at about 75 HP. I can tell you there is no comparason in what they can do and how they drive. The Cummins engine really brings the one tractor to life, and makes it a lot nicer tractor to run. It starts all winter with no heater on the first crank.

Go to my website and look under the 1655 project and I have outlined the conversion and the cost to me to do it.

In my opinion if you are going to spend $6,000 on an engine, I would spend it on a Cummins and not a Waukesha, but that is just me :-)

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j meyer

06-16-2005 19:04:15




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 Re: Cummins in a 1650? Shep this has your name al in reply to Jake in NY, 06-16-2005 15:03:22  
Jake- Its a TOTALLY different game with the 16XX series tractor. Shep has done it, I have run a 2-70 with a Cummins in it, and in my opinion, its really not worth it, considering how great the engine is thats factor for that tractor. Shep may say likewise, but those are my two cents.



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06-16-2005 21:56:14




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 Re: Cummins in a 1650? Shep this has your name al in reply to j meyer, 06-16-2005 19:04:15  
where i say factor, its suppose to say factory



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