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1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic

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AB

11-17-2006 21:34:23




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I warned you all it was in sad shape. I removed the hood today and have started on the degreasing. Before I get inside the engine I plan to call on you Mr. Schwiebert.




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ACEd(La)

11-18-2006 07:31:28




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to AB, 11-17-2006 21:34:23  
good pictures - looks pretty good to me - they help me figure out what goes where on mine. How about a Left side like the last Right side? Mine has single oil filter - and idea whether double set up is standard for all diesels - mine is a 1956. And I"m still trying to find motor s/n. best. Ed



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El Toro

11-18-2006 05:39:11




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to AB, 11-17-2006 21:34:23  
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What were the Super 88's rated at for drawbar pull? Here's the Heavy Field Dynamometer that we used for drawbar pull and cooling tests on Army tanks and trucks. Hal



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old

11-18-2006 06:27:42




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to El Toro, 11-18-2006 05:39:11  
My Neb test list rates them at around 55HP I don't know if thats PTO HP or drawbar since my list only has one HP



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El Toro

11-18-2006 06:42:26




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to old, 11-18-2006 06:27:42  
I know they were a powerful tractor. Our neighbor ran Oliver tractors. Hal



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old

11-18-2006 08:03:36




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to El Toro, 11-18-2006 06:42:26  
Yep and for the most part they will out pull a lot of other brand tractors that are in the same HP class. I have a Ford 841 which is rated at around 45 HP but my Oliver 77 which is rated at 38HP will pull circles around the Ford hands down. I also had a FArmall 450 which is rated the same as my Super 88 Oliver and the Oliver would out pull the 450 hands down. Guess its that 6 cylinder torque that makes them pull so well

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El Toro

11-18-2006 08:47:38




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to old, 11-18-2006 08:03:36  
Do you have any idea what your Super 88 weighs?
Most military vehicles when fully loaded would pull around 80% of their gross vehicle weight. They were all wheel drive on the trucks which helped. We even ran drawbar on those earth moving pans that had electric motors in their rear wheels to assist in their loading. They were something else. Hal



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old

11-18-2006 10:24:09




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to El Toro, 11-18-2006 08:47:38  
Well when I pulled it a couple years ago at a tractor pull it came in at just under 5500LBS. I was about 150LBS light for the 5500lbs class but still came in 4th place out of 17 tractors, and that was running light nd in 1st gear instead of 2nd which is the gear I should have run. If I had the 150lbs more weight and ran 2nd I probably would have come in 1st or 2nd but hay it was the first and only pull I've ever been in

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El Toro

11-18-2006 13:23:37




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to old, 11-18-2006 10:24:09  
If that Super 88 weighs around 7000 pounds that's close to 80% pulling 5500 pounds. When we ran trucks with stick shift transmissions we would load them just under the max speed in that gear and keep loading until the drawbar pull would start to drop off. We would let off the load and let the test vehicle go back to max then repeat the same test. We would then plot the drawbar readings on graph paper to see what the curve looked like. We measured fuel comsumption during drawbar and recorded temps too. Most of the tanks we tested had converter transmissions. We ran them the same as the trucks, but we would load them until the vehicle stalled or started spinning. We were measuring fuel, temperature
and pressures too. Hal
PS: I noticed tractordata doesn't list the Super 88 diesel. It does list the Super 99 at 10,000lbs.

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old

11-18-2006 16:33:23




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to El Toro, 11-18-2006 13:23:37  
Well as I said my Super 88 comes in at just under 5500LBS. Its a gas burner and has a wide front end on it, other wise its stock.



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El Toro

11-18-2006 17:25:03




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to old, 11-18-2006 16:33:23  
That's the weight for your Super 88D? Hal



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old

11-18-2006 18:16:49




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to El Toro, 11-18-2006 17:25:03  
Don't have a Super 88 diesel but I have a super 88 gas. I would say a diesel probably weights in a little more then the gas burners do



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Staci

11-19-2006 19:53:05




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to old, 11-18-2006 18:16:49  
I was just pricing some oliver 70 parts when I saw this discussion, and I just couldn't resist. My father and I each have a super 88 oliver diesel, and we have just recently gained possesion of an 88 gas. So, believe it or not the super 88 gasoline and diesels weigh the same. The only difference in the two is the heads. However, an 88 gas like we have,that is not a "super" will weigh less than your diesel because the frame id lighter made.

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Jeff Oliver

11-18-2006 05:08:06




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to AB, 11-17-2006 21:34:23  
Looks in pretty good shape to me,compared to some I have seen that were eventually restored. Hehe it's got all the wheels and tires, thats saying something! LOL!!! Keep sending the pictures as you go though, trust me, once you get the grease and dirt off it will look like a different tractor.



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AB

11-17-2006 21:47:00




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to AB, 11-17-2006 21:34:23  
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Grandpa added a Char Lynn power steering unit and a above the hood air cleaner to help out when running the mounted corn picker. Dad said the Char Lynn units sold really good at the dealership. Once one farmer had one, all the neighboring farmers wanted one too.

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J Schwiebert

11-18-2006 07:55:50




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to AB, 11-17-2006 21:47:00  
Ron: BAck in those days the Charlyn kits had a pulley in them that you bolted to the crank pulley. They have there own seperate pulley. Later ones used the double groove of the Oliver pulley. J.



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Larry NE IL

11-18-2006 10:44:59




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to J Schwiebert, 11-18-2006 07:55:50  
I bought a Char-Lynn unit for my 880 D inabout 1975. It worked great. I remember balking a little at taking a hack saw to the steering rod, but my neighbor was more familiar than me and hacked it in two!



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evielboweviel

11-18-2006 04:32:05




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 Re: 1955 Super 88 Diesel Winter project pic in reply to AB, 11-17-2006 21:47:00  
is there a single belt for everthing or does the power steering pump have it's own belt seperatly?
Ron



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