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3-71 Fan

04-15-2007 09:32:02




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You could wait a long time to find one Oliver Super 99 Gas for sale and incredibly there are two of them at the moment for sale in the photo ads. One is restored and one original. Nether list a price. Wow! What are the odds?




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1206SWMO

04-15-2007 12:26:04




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to 3-71 Fan, 04-15-2007 09:32:02  
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Heres a Super 99 Oliver gas that no amount of money can buy.Its about 100 miles from me.Its a pretty straight old tractor.



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oliver fan

04-15-2007 13:03:49




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to 1206SWMO, 04-15-2007 12:26:04  
That isn't a Super 99. It's a 99 6 cylinder built in late 1952, 53, or early 54. The belt pulley is the give away. On the super 99's the belt pulley is mounted on the PTO.



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1206SWMO

04-15-2007 17:31:04




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to oliver fan, 04-15-2007 13:03:49  
After looking at pictures of the Super 99 gas burners that are for sale on here I realized that it wasnt a Super 99.It has different fenders too.How rare are 99 gas burners?



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oliver fan

04-16-2007 08:04:52




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to 1206SWMO, 04-15-2007 17:31:04  
1206WMO, It is almost impossible to tell exactly how many gas 99(6) Super 99 gas and 1958 production of 950 gas tractors were built.

All three of the above listed tractors were built in South Bend, Indiana plant #2. There are records to indicate that there were a little less than 600 gas engines shipped to that plant from late 1952 to late 1958, when production stopped at that plant. In that time frame they built the farm 99(6) as well as the farm and industrial S99/ and the first year of the 950 tractors. Also the stationary power units were built there.

There is no way to tell how many engines were shipped in any one year, just the total over a 6 year period. It would be easy to say that 100 engines per year times 6 years would equal 600, but it's not quite that simple. The 199 and Super 199 skid mounted power units were being built in the same 6 year time frame, and when they were mounted that way I know some of them were converted to natural gas and used in oil field work.

With the above information it is only a guess on my part, but I would say there were approx. 60 gas 99(6) tractors and 15 gas power units built in late '52, '53, and early '54. In late '54, '55, '56, '57. and '58, when the supers were in production, I would guess there were approx. 325 gas tractors and 150 gas power units built. I would guess the '58 production of the 950 gas tractors would have been approx. 50 tractors. The '58 power units were built only as the Super 199, there were no 950 power units.

I WANT TO CAUTION YOU, AND EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS, THAT THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, BASED ON INFORMATION I HAVE GATHERED. NO ONE ELSE CAN BE BLAMED FOR MY OPINION EXPRESSED ABOVE.

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J. Schwiebert

04-16-2007 11:47:40




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to oliver fan, 04-16-2007 08:04:52  
Well I was thinking a little bit along a different line this morning but on the same model tractors. There is a man who lived about 10 miles east of me who worked for the B & O railroad near South Bend. He got laid off one year and got hired at Oliver in South Bend. His job was to build the belt pulley assemblies. He told me once 9 out of 10 units that he assembled were on tractors that were exported. Also we had a customer who had a Super 99 gas. It had a timing gear driven Vickers hydraulic pump. Now I was going to make this a seperate post but will try here first: Was it available before the PTO driven units? His tractor did not have a PTO but I had to install one in 1962 when the second owner purchased it. Next: were any of the hydraulic units availabe to run 2 cylinders? And last but not least: Does anyone still have any of the 3-hose depth stop units with either the 8 or 16 inch cylinders? Thanks in advance. J.

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Tramway Guy

04-16-2007 09:58:23




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to oliver fan, 04-16-2007 08:04:52  
The latest 'Oliver Heritage' (which I don't have in front of me) had an article about the Oliver/Waukesha connection; it said that the Oliver power units were put together at Waukesha's plant. If that is true, then the engines being shipped to South Bend were only for tractors, whether agricultural or industrial.



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dad's88

04-16-2007 08:55:49




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to oliver fan, 04-16-2007 08:04:52  
OLIVER FAN,

GOOD MORNING!

The STYLED 99 (1953 model 4 speed) production ledger is at the Floyd County Historical Society. In it is a list containing tractor serial number, build date, ship date, destination, another number of some sort, and the engine serial number. Many of these were exported.

At one time I owned two of these tractors, both diesel. The last one was S/N 519112. It was built on September 24,1953; shipped on September 30, 1953 to Minnesota, and had an engine S/N of 933041.

It was during our trip to the HPOCA show in Madison, SD in 2004 that I first saw this and I didn't have a lot of time to study it. But the gas models were marked HC and if I remember right(BIG problem for me), there were 52 of those.

There were other ledgers (not build cards) there also that may contain Super 99 info as well. Didn't have a lot of time to go through it, but these records do exist.

BLANE.

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oliver fan

04-16-2007 14:04:49




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to dad's88, 04-16-2007 08:55:49  
I didn't think this discussion would go this far, when I told the man that the picture was of a 99(6). I will try to answer J's question first.

John, The 99's produced in 52-54 had a different hydraulic system than what the supers had. The 99's had the engine mounted pump, as you describe, and the tank with the control valve was mounted on the inside of the left fender next to the operator. That system was still avalible for the Super 99's and I think the 950's as well. The rear PTO driven pump with the 3 hoses didn't come out until the Super series with the independent PTO. I have never see one of the 3 hose cylinders. The 950 series hand the first style or the second style avalible as special equipment. Afer the 950 & 990/995 series were on the market for a short time Oliver also added the Hydro-Electric unit as an option. The Hydro-Electric (yes I know i'm spelling it wrong) unit set just to the right of the fuel tank, with the leavers coming back toward your right knee. This is the only one of the three that I know of that you could run two cylinders at one time. Also, this is the only unit that Massey advertised for their 98. Maybe someone could have added a valve to the first unit so they could run a second cylinder. You know about farmer engineering.

Blane, I am familiar with the production ledgers that you are talking about. If it wasn't for those ledgers there wouldn't be any production records on any of the tractors built in South Bend. They contain the information on the Super 99's as well as the 950/990/995's built in 1958. The museum has A different set of ledgers for the super 44's also.

Once again, the above opinion is mine and mine alone. Take it for what it's worth. (about 2 cents)

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dad's88

04-15-2007 20:33:21




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to 1206SWMO, 04-15-2007 17:31:04  
If I remember correctly, I counted a total of 52 HC models on the build register a couple of years ago.



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oliver fan

04-15-2007 11:10:49




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to 3-71 Fan, 04-15-2007 09:32:02  
Isn't that the way it goes sometimes, especally if you are not looking for one at the time.

I have see the reverse happen, also. I have several Oliver tractors, and the amount I paid for each one, for their condition, was on the low end of what I thought they were worth. By todays prices I did really - really - good. Another time I wanted a very small tractor, and I knew Oliver never made that small of a tractor. As luck would have it, I was out in the yard one day when a lady stopped. She had see one or two of my tractors and asked me if I might be interested in a tractor that she would like to sell. Not only did I buy it at the price she asked, I drove it home. It is the most rare tractor I have. You win some and you lose some.

I don't like to think of some of the times I have lost, and I have had more of them than I ever have had when I have won.

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rp1555

04-15-2007 10:55:37




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to 3-71 Fan, 04-15-2007 09:32:02  
You can add one more to that list.It is in the classified ads,in Ohio.



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rrlund

04-15-2007 11:31:05




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 Re: Super 99 gas in reply to rp1555, 04-15-2007 10:55:37  
There is another one on this forum,I think page 2 or maybe three by now. The guy asked the value of it,thought it was a 99. Don't know that anybody has given him a good answer yet.



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