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CNKS

03-14-2002 08:03:34




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I plan to paint a Farmall C with Omni acrylic urethane single stage, or similar paint(will use air supplied hood). PPG lists both urethane and non-urethane primers and sealers for their urethane paint. By the time a hardener is added the urethane is significantly more expensive. Are the urethane primers that much better?

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Rod (NH)

03-14-2002 20:15:31




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 Re: Question for Rod(NH) in reply to CNKS, 03-14-2002 08:03:34  
Hi CNKS,

I really can’t speak to your question on urethane primers and sealers because I have never used them. My favorite primer is PPG's DPLF 2 part epoxi. It can also be used as a sealer. It is iso-free but is quite expensive at about $135/gal RTS (ready-to-spray). This stuff is probably similar to the OMNI epoxi Cliff mentioned although I don't know about cost of the OMNI product...would think it would be somewhat less expensive due to the OMNI line as compared with the now parent PPG product line. My guess is that the advantages of a urethane product as a topcoat (increased color retention, gloss and chemical resistance) are not particularly relevant for a primer where adhesion to bare metal and corrosion resistance would be dominant. So you might want to consider the less expensive non-urethane as a primer and primer-sealer. Cliff is right about the primer-surfacer on the sheet metal. There again, I would need convincing that the urethane product was worth the extra cost over the non-urethane one. I use DuPont 131S acrylic primer-surfacer with good luck under acrylic urethane. I don't recall the cost but it is not real expensive stuff.

Rod

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CNKS

03-15-2002 06:35:11




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 Re: Re: Question for Rod(NH) in reply to Rod (NH), 03-14-2002 20:15:31  
Thanks to both you and Cliff. I corresponded with another experienced painter that I found on the Sharpe forum. He says that the non-urethane primers may shrink into sanding scratches in the metal after the urethane topcoat is applied and then these sanding scratches will show through the topcoat. Could take a couple of months before they show. Don't know how serious this is, probably depends on the sanding job (my opinion). On a related subject (both of you probably already know this) there is an excellent post on the www.autobodystore.com bulletin board entitled "Paint atomization basics" by martinsr. This is an active forum, was posted on March 13, so will be down the page some.

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Cliff Neubauer

03-14-2002 17:51:18




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 Re: Question for Rod(NH) in reply to CNKS, 03-14-2002 08:03:34  
On the 706 and 460 that I painted with Omni single stage urethane I used Omni epoxy primer as a sealer over the old paint and primer surfacer over it on the sheet metal to get some build so I could sand it smooth. The epoxy primer is very tough stuff, you can barely sand it after it has dried so it gives you a good base to build off of. A gallon of epoxy was enough for both tractors.



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