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PPG AUE vs MTK Omni

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JDGMC

03-09-2006 04:44:07




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Well, I'm narrowing it down. I think I finally found a good jobber in my area that can not only supply me with equipment and paint, but also some advice and direction when needed. I'm on the third one. This one is a PPG house. Coincidentily, an aquintance that paints tractors for an implement dealer also purchases there and he uses both Omni and AUE. He's been painting for over 20 years - not that that always means everything. They are both steering me towards PPG AUE instead of Omni. They claim that they're both very good but, as a novice, I will have better luck with the AUE - especially when it comes to controlling runs. They seem to think that they're equally robust when it comes to durability and sheen. In fact, the painter guy sometimes sprays a clear coat over them for additional shine.

They mixed me some AUE and put it in a rattle can for me to try out. Whatever code they used appears to be quite light. It doesn't match the Dupont Nason that I had mixed with FIT's codes nor did it match the rattle can paint from JD. All were for antique (classic) green. Anyway, what do you guys think of the AUE? Is that a better choice then the Omni or Dupont Nason?
Thanks for all your help,
JDGMC

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CNKS

03-09-2006 06:46:08




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 Re: PPG AUE vs MTK Omni in reply to JDGMC, 03-09-2006 04:44:07  
Some people have claimed that Omni is too thin and prone to runs. I haven't had that experience. Not sure what he is calling AUE. If you mean acrylic urethane, your dealer probably means PPG Concept, which is more expensive than Omni acrylic urethane, and may flow out better, but I doubt if you can tell the difference if you have had no experience. If he means Omni acrylic enamel, I do not agree with him. Only advantage (very important) of acrylic enamel is that you do not have to use a supplied air breathing system. Hardeners REQUIRE supplied air foor health reasons. PPG does have Delstar acrylic enamel (expensive) it is probably better than Omni, can be used without hardener, but for that kind of money, you may as well bite the bullet, get supplied air and use hardener. As to paint codes, you can get close, but they will not match between different suppliers. DuPont, Martin Senour, etc, have paints that are competitive with PPG -- it depends on what a person prefers.

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CNKS

03-09-2006 06:56:49




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 Re: PPG AUE vs MTK Omni in reply to CNKS, 03-09-2006 06:46:08  
Having trouble with forum, AUE is a urethane paint, requires supplied air, my previous, more detailed post about it may or may not appear.



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CNKS

03-09-2006 07:31:35




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 Re: PPG AUE vs MTK Omni in reply to CNKS, 03-09-2006 06:56:49  
Looks like my other post isn't going to appear. See the link for details. There are a bunch of AUE's. Going out on a limb, I assume that your dealer and pro painter mean 100/101. I also assume that AUE is part of PPG's industrial, as opposed to automotive line, not that it makes any difference for your purposes. I am familiar with only a fraction of PPG's products, and should have looked it up before responding. I have only used MTK, occasionally MAE for small parts. Again, both MTK and AUE REQUIRE supplied air, if you value your health.

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JDGMC

03-09-2006 16:55:18




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 Re: PPG AUE vs MTK Omni in reply to CNKS, 03-09-2006 07:31:35  
Thanks for the reply. I went back after work today and they mixed up another batch but its just an alklyd enamel in a rattle can. I won't be using it for much but will use it for color matching. I think I've decided to go with the AUE which I believe is part of the Omni family. As mentioned, it is an industrial paint but still uses the isocynate hardner. Hopefully, as they profess, its qualities should be on par with the Omni MTK.

I appreciate the time you guys take to answer us neophites when we don't know what we're doing but we're going to do it anyway.
Thanks,
JDGMC

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Rod (NH)

03-09-2006 17:27:30




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 Re: PPG AUE vs MTK Omni in reply to JDGMC, 03-09-2006 16:55:18  
Hi,

The AUE series appear to be urethanes that are part of PPG's Commercial Products line. They are really not the same as the OMNI products, which are economy automotive paints in PPG's Automotive Refinish lines. I have never used an AUE product but would expect them to be similar in quality and durability to the OMNI MTK. One thing I would add is to be cautious on using 1) a different chemistry or 2) a different product line or 3) a different manufacturer when comparing color shades. Different mixing tints are used in different relative quantities between those three variables in order to arrive at the same color. It works in theory only. It most likely is fairly close, but may not be. The lower end auto (economy) and commercial lines will likely not provide a perfect color match with a high end, premium product in an auto line, even if they are mixed to the same code number from the same manufacturer - at least in my opinion. If you are very particular in shade, I recommend that you only use the exact same product for comparison purposes that you plan on using for the final painting. Purchasing a small amount of actual product for a test is a small price to pay to avoid an unpleasant surprise later.

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