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CNKS

03-13-2006 14:36:56




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Sanded my gas tank smooth and repainted. Was going to try to do only one coat to see if it was solvent pop, etc. Had the gun too far from the surface on the 1st pass, left it a little grainy, so I did two coats and lengthed the recoat time by about 5 minutes. I may still have a little solvent pop, but the nibs are smaller, mixed in with what I believe is lint/dust AFTER I washed my booth, mopped the floor etc. It is better than the 1st time, I may leave it alone. So, I'm going to start prepping and priming my hood -- apply 2 or 3 coats of MTK, sand, and do the 3rd or 4th coat outside the booth with the fans off as B suggested. My shop simply has too much lint, etc floating around. The filters in my booth are coated with a cotton/fabric type material, and may actually be contributing to the problem. I can get different filters, but at $155 for 8 of them, that might not even help, I going to try it without the fans. I'm still not sure about the solvent pop, but I now think my primary problem is dust -- darn near impossible to get rid of, at least in western Kansas -- 50 mph winds yesterday. I can't filter the air coming into my building.

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tommyw-5088

03-15-2006 17:52:34




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to CNKS, 03-13-2006 14:36:56  
try your paint with the booth almost sealed ,no fans running and wet the floor .air movement is the enemy on a non factory booth . it will get strong in there ,but with supplied air it is not a problem.



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CNKS

03-15-2006 19:22:43




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to tommyw-5088, 03-15-2006 17:52:34  
I have thought of that, but I am afraid the dust will settle on the new paint -- it isn't "dust free" for 45 minutes. There is no way to exhaust the paint dust without the fans.



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Rod (NH)

03-14-2006 09:16:07




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to CNKS, 03-13-2006 14:36:56  
With the general airborne lint/dust situation in your shop as you indicate in the thread below, I think your problem is going to be a tough nut to crack - at least as far that type of contamination contributing to the problem. Even w/o fans running, if the ambient air is full of contaminants, I don't see how you can avoid getting some of it on fresh paint that is applied in such an environment. I think your paint booth is the best way to minimize any airborne contamination problem. So see if you can verify that your filters are not actually contributing to the problem (unlikely if your shop is full of this lint/dust to begin with), seal up all cracks in your booth as best you can, run the fans for a period prior to each session and see how it goes. It would be nice if the problem was something as simple as lengthening your typical flash times - but it doesn't look like it is. One of the purposes of paint booths is to minimize, if not eliminate, airborne contamination in paint. Otherwise, there would be no reason at all for paint booth filters for air into the booth. If booths are not doing the job satisfactorily, then something is wrong with the design, construction or maintenance of them.

I am sure you have already looked at this, but make sure you have a decent filter on the inlet to your compressor and a fairly fine one, hopefully with a coarser pre-filter, in your air plumbing system somewhere.

Rod

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CNKS

03-14-2006 18:58:01




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to Rod (NH), 03-14-2006 09:16:07  
I'm not increasing flash times, I'm increasing the time between coats, flash time is long enough already. Another bad connection between brain and fingers.



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CNKS

03-14-2006 19:25:08




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to CNKS, 03-14-2006 18:58:01  
Rod, the immediately above post is not a response to your comment about flash times, it's a response my comment about lengthening them in my post below. I put it in the wrong place. I'm going to bed---



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Rod (NH)

03-15-2006 08:07:17




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to CNKS, 03-14-2006 19:25:08  
I don't think you were originally incorrect. I've always used the term "flash time" as interchangeable with the time between coats. If you know of something that indicates differently, please advise.



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CNKS

03-15-2006 09:51:39




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to Rod (NH), 03-15-2006 08:07:17  
Small point -- but I said "increase" the flash time, to do that I would use a slower reducer, don't want to do that in my situation. I could say "use a longer flash time", hopefully not implying that I changed something that would actually make the flash time longer. I flunked English composition (almost).



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CNKS

03-14-2006 18:50:07




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to Rod (NH), 03-14-2006 09:16:07  
I check my compressor filters occasionally, I haven't seen the need to replace them yet. In fact I really hadn't thought about them contributing to the problem. I guess I thought my water traps would get that stuff, perhaps not. I have thought about replacing my hose. One reason I haven't is that I need a short one, 15 feet is plenty for my booth, I may have to have one made. The hose and compressor are 4 years old, but I don't run a compressor much. Actually I have two, I use the bigger one for sandblasting, all this one gets used for is painting and airing up tires, I bet it hasn't had 24 hours of use in 4 years. I am now preparing to do my hood, will take a while to sand the surfacer, etc. I think I have eliminated the solvent pop or whatever it was by adding about 5 minutes to my flash time. What I am going to do is put on 3 topcoats in my booth with 15-20 minute flash times, then decide if I can accept it. If not I am going to do B-maniac's suggestion and sand, then apply another coat OUTSIDE the booth. If I can't accept that, I am going to sand, compound and buff. If there are only a few bad spots I might try to sand with 1500 grit and rub them out by hand, but knowing how MTK scratches so easily before it is fully cured, I don't think that will work. As to the filters in the booth--Due to my low fan speed, even though the fumes are rapidly exhausted, the paint dust actually backs up against the filters, I suppose it could be swirling, I don't think so, but I'm no paint booth expert. As I mentioned previously, the filters are covered with some cotton-like material. It does not come off easily, that I can see, but that, combined with the paint residue may be causing me problems. I can get filters that appear to be covered with a paper or cardboard-like material. Or I can order the "correct" paint booth filters. I have not changed them yet because I am not confident enough to spend $150+ on 8 filters, when I have no assurance that they are the problem. If I actually knew that was the problem, the dealer would have the $150 in about two minutes. SO, the booth may be relegated to cast and undercoats on sheet metal, not finish coats. It sure does work good keeping overspray off everything in my work area, though.

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B-maniac

03-13-2006 15:21:29




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to CNKS, 03-13-2006 14:36:56  
CNKS; Before I saw this post,I added one below(15:00:47 3/13/06) By the sounds of things ,I don't think it is solvent pop this time.(maybe never was) Worked at a Chrysler dealership ,1990,brand new crossdraft positive pressure spray bake booth. Fuzzies and lint like you wouldnt believe. Too much air exchange,set up a static charge in the metal of the car.Grounding didnt help.Company wouldnt gear it down(regs.)We cleared with fans off until flash then exhausted. Turned out nice! Like Rod said,you may be moving more than just air. I think you will solve this after this next spray without fans. There are some more ideas in my post below.

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CNKS

03-13-2006 17:44:59




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 Re: Partial diagnosis in reply to B-maniac, 03-13-2006 15:21:29  
My response is to your post below.



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