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How much sanding and cleaning?

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1 Dollar

03-26-2006 20:50:49




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I am working on painting my 1937 JD A. My question is how clean do I have to get the metal in reguards to old paint an rust. The main issue is the hood and un-sandblastable parts. I have been getting parts smooth and then going a little further to try to get some more paint and rust. Is this enough or do I need to try to get all the way to bare metal which is almost impractical. Any input is appreciated.
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Seth_ia

03-27-2006 17:05:25




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 Re: How much sanding and cleaning? in reply to 1 Dollar, 03-26-2006 20:50:49  
Sand till your ready to go insane, them sand a couple more days. No matter how good of job you think you did before you paint, you"ll end up wishing you"d done more.



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souNdguy

03-27-2006 11:15:02




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 Re: How much sanding and cleaning? in reply to 1 Dollar, 03-26-2006 20:50:49  
First.. what is your goal? Restoration? Then I'd go to bare metal and come up from there.. fix pitting with filler or other various ways.. leading, tinning, stitching.. etc... then decide on a primer and paint that are compatible and go.

Worker? just need paint on her to keep the rust down? knock all the 'loose' stuff of and go.

Somewhere inbetween.. say.. a worker.. but looking for a decent 'parade' level pair of clothes?

When dealing with rust or pitting.. I sand the heavy off with coarse paper.. then take a wire wheel or flap disc to all rusted / pitted areas... You don't want to leave rust under something you will paint. For areas that are just too impracticle to sand/wheel down.. perhaps use a chemical rust converter / stopper, and/or a primer / paint made for ( to control, and fill in ) rusty metal.

For straight areas that have otherwise intact paint, I usually use the old paint as a good base....I usually sand off or scuff it and smooth it down starting from somewhere in the 1xx grit and finishing with 400, then polish it up with 800. Some primers are also sandible for further touch up so you can see high / missed spots.

I like to primer the whole thing.. cast, engine block, and tin, including old painted areas.. then shoot it. Less chance for paint to not adhere.

Also.. before you7 do any of that.. I like to wash down with a good degreaser.. like simple green for the light stuff, and purple power for the heavy stuff. Carb/brake cleaner for the greasy cracks. Oil will make paint disperse in ugly fish eye patterns like water. However.. depending on your paint and hardner setup.. some paints can use a fish eye remover to help combat this..

All depends on how much time and money you want to spend on it. Paint is like a magnifying glass.. any surface imperfection will be visible thru the paint. Heavy solids primers and sanding help that.

In the end, it is better to use cheaper paints and more time on the body work, than the other way around. For instance.. 100$ worth of paint supplies on 2000$ worth of body work gives you about a 2000$ looking paint job. 700$ worth of paint on 100$ worth of body work gives you a 100$ looking paint job...

Soundguy

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1 Dollar

03-28-2006 16:58:00




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 Re: How much sanding and cleaning? in reply to souNdguy, 03-27-2006 11:15:02  
I was going for somewhere inbetween and I was heading about down the road you recommended. Good thing this tractor doesn't have much sheetmetal because it would just drive me insane. Even just the hood is enought to keep me busy for a couple of hours. Thanks for the advise.
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1 Dollar

03-28-2006 20:10:34




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 Re: How much sanding and cleaning? in reply to 1 Dollar, 03-28-2006 16:58:00  
That was meant per day. I am already on my second day on the hood as well and still dont have all the paint and rust off one side yet. I know that it isn't easy.



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CNKS

03-28-2006 17:09:11




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 Re: How much sanding and cleaning? in reply to 1 Dollar, 03-28-2006 16:58:00  
A couple of hours?? -- I just spent two days on my International 460 hood, and that is after the paint was removed. There is no free lunch, if you want a good job.



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souNdguy

03-29-2006 05:00:43




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 Re: How much sanding and cleaning? in reply to CNKS, 03-28-2006 17:09:11  
Yep.. I spent weeks after work sanding on my 5000.. pretty much 1-4 hrs a day after work, holidays, weekends.. about 3 weeks of it to just get the metal prep ready. and remove bolt on parts previous to priming. Priming took a couple days betweent he main chassie and parts.

Painting took 2 days for 2 coats.

Soundguy



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CNKS

03-29-2006 06:01:05




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 Re: How much sanding and cleaning? in reply to souNdguy, 03-29-2006 05:00:43  
As you said, sanding and other prep is the hard part. I use surfacer at least twice, sanding each time. That takes a long time, particularly on places I missed in my initial dent filling, etc. The topcoat on the sheet metal only takes me about an hour for 3 coats -- provided I get it right, which doesn't always happen. Main chassis the same. Removed parts days or weeks, depending on how many there are. 460 has at least 100.

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