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Kevin5645

04-17-2006 17:23:50




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I am looking at paint spray guns. Is it better to have a gravity fed one or one with the canister at the bottom? Thanks, Kevin

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Formerly PaMike

04-20-2006 09:20:28




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 Re: Gravity or bottom fed in reply to Kevin5645, 04-17-2006 17:23:50  
I switched to HVLP and love it. Tip size is important!! I used the gun as it came on Nason paint and it worked great(1.6 tip). I switched to U tech paint and I couldnt get rid of orange peel. Dropped to a 1.4 tip and it paints great!



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Brad_bb

04-20-2006 08:55:20




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 Re: Gravity or bottom fed in reply to Kevin5645, 04-17-2006 17:23:50  
Go gravity feed. I like SATA guns. A little pricey, but worth to me.



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Jason(ma)

04-19-2006 04:18:33




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 Re: Gravity or bottom fed in reply to Kevin5645, 04-17-2006 17:23:50  
I think more important than the type of feed is HVLP vs conventional. Only one way to go in my opinion, HVLP saves a lot of paint for me. I use Sharpe Cobalts 1.4 for color 1.8 for priming. I'm finishing up my Allis G I'll end up using 2.5 qts of color paint. A conventional gun would use about 1 gal. At $250ish/gal for color the savings has paid for my gun. This is expensive auto paint, ppg concept. I'm using this type of paint becuase I hate painting and don't want to have to do it every 3 years. I'm hearing good things about a deliviss HVLP gun that retails for around $150 from my neighbor.

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davpal

04-18-2006 22:52:36




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 Re: Gravity or bottom fed in reply to Kevin5645, 04-17-2006 17:23:50  
I can give you my opinion on it and I used both types of guns today. One is my trusty campbell Hausfield bottom feed quart cup spray gun. It looks to be modeled after a Binks number 7 gun. It has worked very good from the first day I bought it about 10-15 years ago and has been used to put on just about any kind of finish you could ask and will actually do a professional job (if the operator is talented enough). I really like this gun because it is a no nonsense kind of gun that always works if you take care of it and keep it clean and I always spray at about 55 psi of air. My other gun is a brand new Ingersall Rand HVLP gun. I have very mixed results with this gun. I would just say don't always believe what you hear about them and don't try to paint something too big with them because they take a lot longer to cover the same item as a regular gun. I think they are completely overrated. I am skeptical about the paint transfer effeciancy too because it seems like they use more paint than the regular style to do the same job and they are supposed to use much less. Hard to explain what I mean but if I were comparing the two, the regular gun throws paint like being in a fine mist of rain. The HVLP gun is more like a hard rain or hailstorm with less air particles to make the paint particles smaller and flow better on the surface. I just used both guns to paint a white 271 model 21 ft disk. I grabbed the HVLP gun without thinking and used 3 quarts of the WFE equipment enamel and was not getting it covered and wondering why it was taking so long before I realized I was using the "slow" gun that I dislike. I went to the dealer and picked up two more quarts of red and put it in the bottom feed campbell Hausfield "old reliable" and had the whole thing covered much better in half the time. Bottom line, if you are going to do little projects the HVLP gun works ok, but if you are going to do some serious implement painting you will want the regular old style "Binks" style with the quart bottom cup. Usually about $50-$75 bucks about anywhere. HVLP will set you back about $100 at TSC. Good luck.

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CNKS

04-19-2006 06:09:40




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 Re: Gravity or bottom fed in reply to davpal, 04-18-2006 22:52:36  
This is in addition to my post below--- "The HVLP gun is more like a hard rain or hailstorm with less air particles to make the paint particles smaller and flow better on the surface." What is your tip size? Mine came with a 1.5, I changed it to a 1.3. IMO if it is bigger than a 1.5-1.6, the particles are way to big. My 1.3 puts out very well atomized paint, more like glass, very little orange peel. This gun is limited only by my technique. I do not believe in the cheap guns--some people like them, I really doubt if they would ever go back to the cheap ones once they have used a quality gun.

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CNKS

04-19-2006 06:02:04




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 Re: Gravity or bottom fed in reply to davpal, 04-18-2006 22:52:36  
Your evaluation is typical of those who began painting with suction feed and tried to switch to HVLP. (this is not a criticism of your opinion)Whole different technique. I used suction feed on a single vehicle 20+ years ago, did not have a clue what I was doing, and it broke me from painting for 20 years. Began painting tractors in 2002, I use a Sharpe Platinum for topcoat, Sharpe Cobalt for primer, plus a Sharpe touch-up gun for small parts, primer and topcoat. The Platinum was maybe $350 retail (no longer in production, and uses little air, about 8 CFM compared to 11-12 for most others. Excellent gun, will cover with acrylic urethane in 2 coats, I use 3 for insurance. You have to move slow, I don't paint for a living, so that's fine with me. In my opinion a beginning painter is MUCH better off with HVLP, they are very forgiving guns. I do realize that it is hard for an experienced painter to make the switch. Transfer efficiency--I wouldn't know, they both waste a lot of paint.

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CNKS

04-17-2006 18:08:10




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 Re: Gravity or bottom fed in reply to Kevin5645, 04-17-2006 17:23:50  
If you haven't painted before, gravity feed. Others of course are free to disagree, and probably will, but those guns are junk. No name and few specifications. They are both touch up guns, if that is what you want. The 0.7 mm tip on the HVLP one is too small. The one I have ($150) has a 1.3. I do have a no name (actually it's an Ampro sold by Advance Auto) that I paid about $90 for, it has a 1.0 mm tip. I quit using it because the pattern breaks up at the edges, and messes up the 50% overlap. You get what you pay for. Those guns may be ok, may not be. Not worth the risk to me.

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