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Kevin5654

04-22-2006 10:26:07




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I was wondering if this mask would be any good? Would it protect from iso? Would I just hook it up to my compressor or what would I have to do? CNKS, is it up to ur standards? Thanks Kevin




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Rod (NH)

04-22-2006 17:29:04




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 Re: Supplied Air Mask in reply to Kevin5654, 04-22-2006 10:26:07  
Hi Kevin,

The mask itself is probably just fine, assuming you don't have to wear glasses. It certainly is an excellent buy for that price, even if for just the headpiece itself. Apparently that's because of military surplus since USN is mentioned. Your problem once you have the mask is to supply it with a continuous flow of air in a quanity and quality that is completely safe for breathing. When I first started with supplied air I had the great idea of buying just a full facepiece and hooking it up to my shop compressor. At that time (circa 1980) the facepiece cost about $185 as I recall. There were no relatively inexpensive systems such as the current Hobby-Air. Even commercially available systems were not that common and were very expensive back then. Anyway, it was a good idea while it lasted. It just didn't last very long. The first thing I failed to consider was the required air quantity. You need about 4 cfm of continuous air being supplied to the facepiece (6 cfm if it's a hood). My shop compressor at the time lacked sufficient capacity to supply both my spray gun and my facepiece with enough air at the same time. The second thing I found out when I tried it was that air from a lubricated compressor is not very great to breathe. Immediately I noticed a very irritating (I would call it oily) taste in my mouth. My compressor was certainly not spewing out large amounts of oil and I had never had any oil-contamination problems in my paint. Nevertheless, I found it very distasteful and decided in a hurry that I didn't want to breathe that stuff into my lungs. I immediately proceeded to purchase a tankless, non-lubricated air compressor that I would dedicate to supply breathing air. Coupled with about a hundred feet of 3/8 air line, also dedicated to that use, the same facepiece and compressor has served me very well for the many years since.

I realize there are commercially produced supplied air systems that rely on shop compressors for their air supply. They also are typically accompanied by (or require as a separate investment) some expensive and complex filtration equipment, together with a CO monitor and alarm. To my way of thinking, that's not worth the trouble even if you have a sufficient air quantity. The initial investment cost for the normally recommended components will likely exceed a small breathing air compressor and you will have recurring maintenance costs regarding special filteration and monitoring equipment. I personally believe that locating a dedicated breathing air compressor in a known area where the air is safe to breathe is a far better choice than relying on devices to remove bad stuff from air after it has been contaminated. Better to breathe known fresh air directly in the first place and be done with it.

If I were you, I would investigate the possibility of a commercially available breathing air compressor mated up to the mask you link to. You would not use the pressure regulating stuff that comes with the mask as it would be unnecessary in such a configuration. I am not absolutely positive since I am only going by what's indicated about the mask, knowing nothing else about it myself. It certainly is a promising possibility though. A hundred feet of interconnecting 3/8 PVC air hose can be had quite reasonably at Home Depot and other such places. The only problem with it that I have found is it gets stiffer in cold weather - but I don't paint in cold weather anyway.

CN, I don't think any air-line type of supplied air respirator supplied with air from a remote source is "approved" for use in atmospheres that are immediately dangerous to life and health (IDLH). I think that designation is reserved for those extremely hazardous atmospheres where only a few breaths can result in immediate incapacitation and/or death and where rapid escape is not possible. I don't believe the isos used in paints are considered to be in that severe a category - even though there have been a small number of actual deaths when using such materials. It is my understanding that in IDLH atmospheres only a self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA), as used by fire fighters, is "approved".

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CNKS

04-22-2006 19:40:56




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 Re: Supplied Air Mask in reply to Rod (NH), 04-22-2006 17:29:04  
Rod, you are correct. Several years ago at the place I work 2 men entered a grain storage tank to unplug an auger. Unconscious immediately, one died on site, the other a few days later -- that slipped my mind when I made the statement about iso's. The EMS people had the scuba stuff, but got there too late.



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Kevin5654

04-22-2006 15:41:58




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 Re: Supplied Air Mask in reply to Kevin5654, 04-22-2006 10:26:07  
CNKS, I am sorry. What I meant would it do the job for you since you are very sensittive to iso's Sorry, Kevin



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CNKS

04-22-2006 16:50:57




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 Re: Supplied Air Mask in reply to Kevin5654, 04-22-2006 15:41:58  
I wasn't looking for an apology. What I meant was, I don't really know the specs for a supplied air system, or why iso's cause respiratory problems, for that matter. The supplied air unit I have was recommended by a person that has one, it is the only one I have ever seen. Since I have not heard of the one on Ebay before today, and since the ad gives little info, I can't say much about it. All you need is something that pushes the right quantity of clean air into a positive pressure mask; may not be as simple as it sounds.

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CNKS

04-22-2006 14:15:15




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 Re: Supplied Air Mask in reply to Kevin5654, 04-22-2006 10:26:07  
I don't have standards, I merely transfer information from those who I believe know what they are talking about and try to abide by their standards. I don't know anything about the mask. As you say you need an air source. I don't think I would hook it up to a oil type air compressor because of contamination. Rod(NH) has explained the system he made several times. I think he use an oil-less compressor for his -- he will probably comment. The mask itself is probably ok, except for this statement that I don't fully understand:"The PA-80 series supplied air respirator, USN(SAR) is used where a prolonged economic supply of breathing air is required. It is suited for work in areas where hazardous atmospheres NOT immediately dangerous to life or health are encountered." I would call isocyanates an immediate health hazard. The capitals are mine.

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tommyw-5088

04-28-2006 06:45:23




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 Re: Supplied Air Mask in reply to CNKS, 04-22-2006 14:15:15  
i agree with you ,a shop compressor must be able to supply grade D brething air ,most reciprocating compressors can not do that ,my sandblasting compressor (with a filter and co monitor can) it is a screw compressor . painting with iso paints is in the grey area of a IDLH enviroment .it is stated "where a resperator is required to escape" and you are correct it has to be a pressure demand SCBA basically a fireman"s mask. i have to say for guys that havent went to painters school you fellows really know your stuff ,smarter than alot of the professional painters i know.

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