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Andrew

04-02-2002 22:55:25




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Would a simple wire brushing of a piece of metal until it was as shiny as possible, be a good enough surface to begin priming on?




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IHman

04-04-2002 18:23:23




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 Re: Painting preparation in reply to Andrew, 04-02-2002 22:55:25  

Hi Andrew, I would suggest if you have some rust on the surface of the metal you have wire brushed to get some Ospho
(I believe its spelled right) at a Auto body/paint supply store. Ospho is a metal treatment chemical that kills rust. It turns it dark as you brush it on...you let it set for about 30 minutes then wash it off with water. sand the metal with some 320 paper and epoxy prime it. I would epoxy prime any bare metal to be painted. It seals the surface and keeps any bondo from sucking up the paint. Epoxy primer is the best material for preping bare metal for finish paint. be careful spraying it, wear a good mask with plenty of ventilation.

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Rod (NH)

04-03-2002 15:09:40




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 Re: Painting preparation in reply to Andrew, 04-02-2002 22:55:25  
Hi Andrew,

If there is any significant rust present after wire brushing you might want to consider using a rust treatment such as "Extend" from Loctite/Permatex prior to topcoating rather than a conventional metal primer.

It is always best to get ALL the rust removed, typically by sandblasting, but that is not always possible and compromises have to be made. I have found that the use of Extend is one such compromise.

Rod

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Andrew

04-03-2002 22:39:08




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 Re: Re: Painting preparation in reply to Rod (NH), 04-03-2002 15:09:40  
Is this "extend" a liquid which dissolves the rust and then has to be wire brushed off? I live in New Zealand and we have something like that called "jenolite"



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Andrew

04-03-2002 22:38:51




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 Re: Re: Painting preparation in reply to Rod (NH), 04-03-2002 15:09:40  
Is this "extend" a liquid which dissolves the rust and then has to be wire brushed off? I live in New Zealand and we have something like that called "jenolite"



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Rod (NH)

04-04-2002 17:30:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Painting preparation in reply to Andrew, 04-03-2002 22:38:51  
Andrew,

Extend is not promoted to dissolve rust. It is not a rust "remover" but is called a rust "treatment". It is a liquid about the consistency of regular paint. It goes on as a milky color and turns black after drying. Two coats dry to a hard, black film. The pretreatment called for is degreasing and removal of loose rust by wirebrushing.

I used it last year on one of my trucks that I painted. The cowling area in the engine compartment and the exterior roof had significant, heavy rust areas. Sandblasting in both areas was not feasible for me. In both cases light sanding with 80 grit paper was used instead of wire brushing prior to applying two coats of Extend. After scuffing up the Extend with 220 grit paper, I put on two coats of primer surfacer, sanded with 320 grit paper and then applyed two coats of acrylic urethane topcoat.

Everything seemed to work out well except if I had it to do over again, I would have sprayed the Extend instead of brushing it on. Extend dries fairly fast and does not flow out well. That left very noticeable brush strokes in the dried film. That was not objectionable in the engine compartment but was on the roof. More sanding than should have been necessary was therefore needed.

I do not have any long term experience with Extend so I can't verify how it is going to hold up, say over five years. I do plan on using it on one of my very rusty tractors as an alternative to bright metal sandblasting.

For a technical data sheet on Extend, go to the link.

Rod

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