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siphon vs gravity feed spray guns

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jubilee johnny

05-04-2006 05:24:39




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I have just purchased a gravity feed spray gun after having used siphon (Binks #7) for over 30 years. What do I need to know about using a gravity feed gun and will I like it?




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mace56

05-04-2006 18:11:16




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 Re: siphon vs gravity feed spray guns in reply to jubilee johnny, 05-04-2006 05:24:39  
I just bought a Sharpe Finex gravity feed. Instruction guide with gun says to pull apart and clean throughout after each use. The instructions in box from seller say just to run solvent thru and loosen cap (front?) then spray at low line pressure several times until clean. He says specifically, do not immerse and do not take it all apart very often lest it wear out the seals and threads. What is correct?

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Rod (NH)

05-04-2006 19:33:54




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 Re: siphon vs gravity feed spray guns in reply to mace56, 05-04-2006 18:11:16  
I take it the seller is not the manufacturer and has inserted his own instructions for cleaning? The method you mention that includes loosening the air cap is called "percolating the gun". It is applicable to gravity feed guns only, as far as I know. I don't know if Sharpe recommends that procedure. My guns are all DeVilbiss and Devilbiss doesn't mention it at all in any of their literature, even the modern stuff. I suspect it is not mentioned by the manufacturer because of a potential safety issue when doing it. You need to loosen the air cap a couple of turns such that it is quite loose on the body. You need to reduce the air pressure to less than 5 psig beforehand and with some solvent in the cup, pull the trigger for a while. Use fresh solvent and repeat. Do not hold your face over the cup and peer into it when doing this. There will be some rather violent agitation and bubbling going on in the cup and if your pressure is too high, it is very possible that you will get splashed in the eyes with solvent - not good at all. It does work fairly well however.

I use the percolating procedure on my gravity spot gun in between product changes - e.g. between primer and surfacer or between color and clear. I do not rely on it completely however. When I am through painting for the day, I will disassemble the gun and do a thorough cleaning with a cleaning brush(s) and compressed air. I remove the air cap, the fluid tip, the needle and the cup. The cap and tip gets soaked in clean solvent, the needle wiped clean, and the cup and cover cleaned individually with solvent and paper towels. The cap and tip gets wiped clean and compressed air blown through all openings. The body passages get the brush treatment using solvent. The gun is then reassembled and put away until next time.

I wouldn't worry about harming any threads unless they are plastic or you tend to over-wrench everything. Seals can be reused in many instances, despite manufacturer recommendations. My spot gun has a plastic (nylon?) gasket between the fluid tip and the body. I have some spares but have never used any of them, even though DeVilbiss recommends replacing it after every tip removal. I've just reused the same one over and over at least 20 times so far without a problem. You gun may be totally different so I would follow Sharp's recommendations together with your own good judgment.

Rod

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CNKS

05-04-2006 20:21:19




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 Re: siphon vs gravity feed spray guns in reply to Rod (NH), 05-04-2006 19:33:54  
The percolating idea I got from a guy named GaryL who posts on the paintucation forum, he is the one who recommended my Sharpe Platinum. Like yourself he is a hobbiest painter who has painted for years. He uses PPG products, only difference between him and you is that he prefers HVLP. To your credit, you have unknowingly confirmed everything he told me when I started to paint, so it must be correct. As to taking the gun all the way apart, your method is best, I just hate complete disassembly all the time for fear I will mess something up. I clean mine thorougly occasionally and have put new kits in it. Numerous seals, o-rings, etc. (Kit costs more than the whole cheap Chinese guns, so be it). All I see with complete disassembly is a thin coating of paint in the passages, no buildup. I can't see any difference in performance, not that it won't happen someday.

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CNKS

05-04-2006 18:24:42




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 Re: siphon vs gravity feed spray guns in reply to mace56, 05-04-2006 18:11:16  
"The instructions in box from seller say just to run solvent thru and loosen cap (front?) then spray at low line pressure several times until clean."

That one.

I will typically take the cap off after each use and soak, and remove the needle and wipe clean. Occasionally I will remove the tip and soak it and make sure no holes are plugged. Loosening the cap makes the gun backflow into the cup and dislodges anything that normal forward flow misses, you should do that each time you clean. The low pressure is to keep solvent from blowing everywhere. Periodically, I will disassemble completely. In mine there are o-rings, etc that can be damaged if you repeatedly take the thing apart.

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Rod (NH)

05-04-2006 13:21:41




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 Re: siphon vs gravity feed spray guns in reply to jubilee johnny, 05-04-2006 05:24:39  
Hi Johnny,

The Binks #7 is a classic gun, as is the DeVilbiss JGA. I assume your new gravity feed gun is a HVLP model. If that is true you may have to adjust your past technique a little. You may find that you have to travel a little slower and get a little closer to the surface than you are normally used to. I agree with EX-pro that you will have to either buy a special stand or make something to be able to hang or support the gun. You can't just set it down on a flat surface. I wound up making a wooden stand for my gravity spot gun. My gravity spot gun is easier to clean than my older suction-fed spot gun however. I do like that aspect of gravity feed.

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EX-pro

05-04-2006 08:08:28




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 Re: siphon vs gravity feed spray guns in reply to jubilee johnny, 05-04-2006 05:24:39  
I like the binks 7 and the BBR. I'm no fan of gravity feed. I don't like the balance to them and you'll need a stand anywhere you need to set it down. I hope you like your new gun. Make sure you can get rebuild kits for it and it will last another 30 years.



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