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hey CNKS.. Fish-eye remover

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souNdguy

05-14-2006 15:52:39




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A buddy of mine was telling me of a product he adds to his paint for incedental 'fish-eye' problems he encounters when there may be a spec of oil contamination on a machine he paints. ( he works for a local const. company, and they periodically pressure/steam clean their equipment and repaint.. pretty much.. blow it off.. let it dry, and paint it.

He asked me what I use on my tractors.. which is only paint, reducer, hardner.. etc. So he mentioned the fish eye remover.

Know anything about it? Used it? How well does it work.. does it change any other characteristics of the paint?

Others are welcome to chime in with experiences and insight / comments.

Soundguy

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David Maddux

05-20-2006 20:56:29




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 Re: hey CNKS.. Fish-eye remover in reply to souNdguy, 05-14-2006 15:52:39  
Just to add to the excellent replys, after being in the painting business for 30 yrs. I have found, for a good cheap prepaint cleaner, is just utility mineral spirits and use it liberally since it is cheap. Maybe two different cleanings.You will not have any fisheyes if you clean really throughly and stay away from the other helpers like mentioned with waxes. Thanks, Dave.



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Rustyj14

05-19-2006 10:40:20




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 Re: hey CNKS.. Fish-eye remover in reply to souNdguy, 05-14-2006 15:52:39  
I worked in the auto body trade for 50 years or so. In all that time, the only problems we had with "fish-eyes" was usually caused by out of the shop conditions, such as the guy next door waxing his car, or polishing it with a car polish that contained silicone! The shop was in the city, so we did get the "eyes" occasionally. So, in order to prevent having problems, which we had no idea when they would occur, all synthetic or acrylic enamels got a squirt of FEE!(Fish-eye eliminator) One place i worked was one big room, with the wash bay at one end and the body shop and paint booth at the other end. Needless to say, the uneducated car washer/ polisher couldn't understand plain English (about not waxing while the paint booth exhaust fan was running) so he'd pepper my paint with fisheyes. To eliminate any problems, i used FEE, in all enamel jobs! I never heard of anybody having breathing problems from FEE, but plenty from guys who thought they were too macho to wear a double canister paint mask! Of course, after the new paints came out, the problems mounted in the breathing department. now, you folks who work at home, with nobody around to polish cars, or any of the other things that cause problems, probably won't have any problems with eyes, until your wife decides to polish the furniture, on a nice hot day, with a slight wind blowing toward the area where you are working! And, she is trying out the new furniture polish, with silicones in it, and the airborne residue from a shaken out polish rag wafts down and settles on the second of three coats of your paint job, which you have just spent a month getting it to painting stage! So, you apply the last coat and---HEART ATTACK!! There they are! Eyes as big as dimes, all over the finish! What to do? Swear-jump up and down--drink 3 beers--kill the wife? Naw--just wash it all off with enamel reducer, and do it over! I can tell you from experience--it is better to use the FEE, in the paint, rather than do the job over! And, above all---do not wash the finish prior to painting, with gasoline!!! Use a product for that purpose, which you can buy at any automotive paint supply store. Or use enamel reducer, not laquer thinner, and especially not gasoline, kerosene, or water! A name i seem to remember was Fin'l Wash, another was Pre-kleeno! By: Rusty Jones

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B-maniac

05-19-2006 19:03:29




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 Re: hey CNKS.. Fish-eye remover in reply to Rustyj14, 05-19-2006 10:40:20  
I have been in the auto body for over 35 years,and Rusty pretty much hit it right on the head.Allow me to expand just a bit more. First of all,I don't use it and don't need it. Second of all, a lot of people painting tractors etc,have to paint in the same area that they work on them. This means they may have fisheyes caused from using salamanders for heat, diesel exhaust soot on the ceiling,that will fall onto the paint,WD 40 in the air and sucked into their air compressor etc. A few fisheyes can be prevented by using a LITTLE eliminator, but a lot of eyes and a lot of eliminator will just make a big orange-peel mess. All paints are "fussy" and you get just what you earn . It's a bandaid,and a poor one at that.

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1030 brian

05-15-2006 05:13:09




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 Re: hey CNKS.. Fish-eye remover in reply to souNdguy, 05-14-2006 15:52:39  
I have some stuff that I bought about 10 years or so. It is Called Cronar fisheye additive by Dupont. I bought this product when I painted our John Deere 630 with Dulux enamal 10 years ago. I still have the same can, its only a quart or so. You only use a cap full for a gallon of sprayable paint. It works really good and is compatable with different brands. I have used it with Centari, Chromabase, PPG's concept line and just used it with the OMNI paint line with No problems. It is a really good insurance for those pesky fisheyes. Now I know people are going to say if you prep it right fisheyes wont appear, but you just never know. Just my 2 Cents! Brian

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CNKS

05-14-2006 16:22:14




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 Re: hey CNKS.. Fish-eye remover in reply to souNdguy, 05-14-2006 15:52:39  
Rod or someone can give a better answer. I have not used it, and have heard more bad than good about it. I don't remember the details. Eliminate the cause of fish eyes and you don't need it. I use wax and grease remover and try not to touch the surface immediately before painting. I buy the stuff in 5 gallon quantities so that I don't run out of it, although it lasts a long time. I believe I have only seen one fisheye since I began painting, that would have been due to my neglect, if I remember right I was hurrying the process. I mess up every time I do that in one way or another. This is not intended to be sarcasm, but people in industry often shortcut procedures, thus they may actually need the fisheye remover. Hobbiests can take their time. A lot of things that industrial people, including body shops do simply do not apply to us.

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Rod (NH)

05-14-2006 17:34:15




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 Re: hey CNKS.. Fish-eye remover in reply to CNKS, 05-14-2006 16:22:14  
I can't provide anything more because I have never used it. Never needed to. I consider it an unecessary crutch. If the surface is free from silicones and oils, including fingerprints, and the air supply is not contaminated with compressor oil, there is no need for such additives. There is no substitute for a clean surface and a clean air supply. I wouldn't bother with it unless I had a persistent fish eye problem that I couldn't correct otherwise. That said, I suppose there are practical considerations for some things where it is not feasable to get everything squeaky clean. For those, I can only say try it. I just have no personal experience with it at all.

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