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lporter

05-22-2006 19:15:52

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what is the paint code for a 1935 farmall red f-12??

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Jason(ma)

05-23-2006 09:14:55

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to lporter, 05-22-2006 19:15:52

Here is a pic of my 1934 F-12. The wheels on this one are IH50 in Dupont's Imron 7410, like CNKS said. The 37 and later models used the IH50, if you want to go that route.

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lporter

05-23-2006 14:23:12

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Jason(ma), 05-23-2006 09:14:55

good looking tractor i guess what i need to know is how do i know what color my unit should be i see some are red and some are gray ? is thier a number or code on the unit or does it matter my unit has know paint and what it does have is bits of red and bits of whats look to be a drk. silver. thanks for any help lee

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Jason(ma)

05-23-2006 16:32:34

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to lporter, 05-23-2006 14:23:12

serial number is the key. uptil 1937 model year, starting with 81837 the tractors are grey.

Farmall grey in dupont is a paint code of 27625, not sure in ppg

Farmall Red (IH50) in dupont is 7410, in ppg it is 70019

many if not most of these tractors have been repainted in their life time, many were done through dealer winter promotion. My 34 was painted red when I got it.

Here is a link to the IH history archives, you can check out what I've said there. http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/

I've also added a link to Rod's PPG paint code list, I THINK the grey you'd want is the dark grey, buy a small amount and check before spending the big bucks.

Rod(NH)'s ppg paint code list

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Rod (NH)

05-23-2006 18:08:26

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Jason(ma), 05-23-2006 16:32:34

Jason,

Just for info:

I have a 1990 DuPont-to-PPG listing that crosses DuPont 27625 to PPG 32565. That doesn't agree with the two numbers in my PPG list (30074 & 30031) which I am not surprised at. In the DuPont list that I link to from my site there is also a 98620 grey under Farmall. That crosses to 30045 in PPG. Go figure. Unfortunately such is the situation with some of these old tractor colors. Sometimes you can only get reasonably close based on the best available information.

Rod

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Farmallgray

05-25-2006 05:56:11

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Rod (NH), 05-23-2006 18:08:26

I have run into that same thing. When I cross dupont and ppg #s to martin senour, one # will cross to two and they will be almost identicle.
I think maybe the companies check competitors formulas then come up with matches to them, not relaizing they already have one in their system.
When I cross all the dupont and ppg #s for IHC gray to m-s, I get about 10 different formulas.

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Jason(ma)

05-23-2006 20:43:21

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Rod (NH), 05-23-2006 18:08:26

agghhh sounds like what I went through with persian orange. I'm hopping when I get to my case sc-4 that flambeau red is easier, Kinda tired of all these pints of persian orange hanging around. But then again my metal fences show up well now.

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Rod (NH)

05-23-2006 21:51:46

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Jason(ma), 05-23-2006 20:43:21

I know just what you mean. I now have a quart of MAE 60080 (test qt) that I'm not going to use on my B, since I'm using MTK 60080 instead. I have a quart of MAE 60396 (test qt) that is the wrong shade. I also have a quart of DCC 60080 ($$$) that is just a touch different in shade than the MTK 60080 so I'm not going to use that on my B either. I've got plenty of other small items that could use some paint. They may just wind up orange if I ever get to 'em.

Rod

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CNKS

05-23-2006 17:42:44

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Jason(ma), 05-23-2006 16:32:34

This is the link. Not available anymore but the "official" color for the wheels was Harvester red varnish -- IH apparantly did the wheels separate and did not want to change their procedure. Wonder if that continued until the letter series came out in 1939. I believe Nov 1 1936 was the first use of IH 50, not sure. Alkyd enamel was "invented" in the 30's.

Nov 1, 1936

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Jason(ma)

05-23-2006 20:34:27

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to CNKS, 05-23-2006 17:42:44

okay here is the link to haverest red wheel, looks like it is in varnish not the harvester red 50 synthetic like the change in 36 lists. I wonder if this is a change in color or just a change in formulation?

harvester red

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CNKS

05-24-2006 06:10:18

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Jason(ma), 05-23-2006 20:34:27

I think it was a change in the type of paint -- I can't prove it, and will yield to anyone who has info one way or the other. But, I believe that IH 50 was IH's first use of synthetic (alkyd) enamel. Note that your 1927 link emphasizes that a good job be done, indicating to me that the previous paint, whatever it was hard to apply. I would be interested in knowing if the gray paint was alkyd or some other technology. The live link was provided by Rod, and does not really say what preceded alkyd, unless it was the varnishes, and the nitrocellulose lacquer. The varnish type paints did have a long usage period as evidenced by their use on the F series (at least on the wheels) into the late 30's. A while back someone posted either here or on the Farmall board that had found an unopened can of the old gray paint, I don't remember what the stuff was. Note that in the following 1920's paint chip link, also provided by Rod (who has also explained how to put two "live" links in a post) that the paint was in that period was varnish -- not saying that's what IH actually used. http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/misctractors1920.html

Early paint codes

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Farmallgray

05-25-2006 05:49:16

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to CNKS, 05-24-2006 06:10:18

There was a new work comittee decision dated sometime in 1935 that discusses changing from the varnish to the synthetic enamel. I don't have it handy at the moment. I'm pretty sure that the #50 red was the same color (or close) as the red varnish. The wheels were painted by dipping. Most likely, there were some tractors painted gray with synthetic enamel. I haven't found the date when they changed yet.

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Farmallgray

05-23-2006 05:53:41

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to lporter, 05-22-2006 19:15:52

You may already know this, but the only thing that should be red are the wheels on a 1935 model.
The rest of the tractor should be gray.

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CNKS

05-23-2006 07:01:53

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to Farmallgray, 05-23-2006 05:53:41

That's what I thought, but didn't remember -- don't think the wheels were IH 50 at that time either.

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Jason(ma)

05-23-2006 09:06:06

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to CNKS, 05-23-2006 07:01:53

The wheel are supposed to be IH50 on the 12's, but of course I can't find my link to the archives.

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CNKS

05-22-2006 20:00:17

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Re: paint code for farmall f-12 1935 in reply to lporter, 05-22-2006 19:15:52

IH 50/DuPont 7410/PPG 70019. Sherwin Williams/Martin Senour/NAPA can be used also, don't know the codes.

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