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fish eye remover - revisited

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souNdguy

06-12-2006 19:01:50




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Well, I stood out in the light florida pre-tropical storm rains this afternoon and proceded to pressure wash the deck of my batwing mower.... Man... I think the prev owner just painted oil and grease over this thing to protect it or something... I havn't seen a working piece of equipment with that much gunk on it in a while. I've got the heavy off, and when the rain let up, I turned on the degreaser mix and sprayed the deck down liberally.

I know this thing is still gonna have oily patches judging from the amount I blew off. I'm debating on how to procede with cleaning.

My options are to try a engine degreaser in a spray can.. like foamy engine bright.. or similar.. and then pressure wash again using a degreaser mix again.. OR simply pressure wash again using a strong degreaser mix.. like purple stuff. The stuff I used previously was less agressive.. it was a generic 'simple green'.. which I've also used alongside purple stuff.. but have found it to be a tad weak..( It was 4.99 a gallon.. I had to try it! ).

And comments? try better degreaser? or do engine cleaner.. then degreaser after the engine cleaner?

In any case.. has anyone used the car-quest brand fish eye remover? I'm bound to miss a bit of oil/grease here somewhere... there must be 40 pins and bushings.. etc.. and i don't want huge pooling fisheyes due to a microscopic sheen i can't see.. etc. I have a car quest near me.. but havn't seen the product.. nor do i know if it is compatible with the alkyd enamil I'm using... any comments on that?

( by the way.. the purpose of this paint job is rust prevention and protection from the elements... just working clothes.. not parade quality.. For my tractors I always err ont he side of overkill and scruplessly wash the tin and frame down till it is 'white glove' clean before painting... doing this to this huge mower would uh.. be harsh on me a bit (GRIN) )

For comments or weather reports.. just email... thanks

Soundguy

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Hobo,NC

06-14-2006 06:57:48




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to souNdguy, 06-12-2006 19:01:50  
I git purple stuff from Southern Dist. Co last price wuz 90.00 for 55 gal. Several years ago. They have a stronger mix not sure of the price. They are in South Carolina and deliver to me and may go your way. 55 gal izz a lot but last for years and at that price comes in handy for lots of clean’in projects. 1-800-995-1619



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souNdguy

06-14-2006 10:35:55




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-14-2006 06:57:48  
Thanks for the info. i just ordered some!

Soundguy



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B-maniac

06-13-2006 18:27:39




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to souNdguy, 06-12-2006 19:01:50  
The main problem with fish eye eliminator (not remover) is that if you add enough to take care of the fisheyes,it will cause big time orange peel in your paint. Put in a small amount and it won't take care of them. The orange peel is basically just a lot of large fisheyes joined together. People who say they always add a little just for insurance,and don't get any fisheyes,more than likely wouldn't get anyway.The last I knew,fisheye eliminator was made up of pure silicone and when added to paint was supposed to make the paint compatable with the oils or silicones it is applied over.My advice is to stay away from it and do the prep surgically clean. The fisheye is the least of the problems if there is oily residue . Paint will eventually fall off anyway. Fisheye eliminator doesnt promote adhesion to contaminated surfaces. It's just a rubber crutch and the results will eventually be the same. IF you want a little added insurance against the occasional fisheye,just dust on the first coat of paint and let it set up for a half hour before shine coats. Dusting means NO shine. If it shines,it's to wet to help you,but then if it shines and no eyes you are home free. EXPERIMENT, it's the only way around some of these problems .Good luck.

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souNdguy

06-14-2006 05:13:05




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to B-maniac, 06-13-2006 18:27:39  
I opted for the 'scrub the (bleep) out of it' path. To borrow a phrase from CNKS. I normally do that for my tractors.. tha tis.. degrese.. scrub.. degrease.. wash.. etc.. and get down to the -0- oil dirt otr grease before I prime and paint. Even with the cheaper paint products i use.. It still amounts of days and weeks of prep work.. and no one wants to se a wart on a paint job. The difference here is that on a tractor.. there is usually less to wash and scrub. This batwing mower it working me out...

I applied some degreaser before I went to work this am. When i get home I'm breaking out the bucket and brush again and going to soap it up, and then pressure wash it yet again. it's still drizly here in florida.. so I can't do any other type of paint prep on it till at least the weekend.. so i might as well just wash it every day, and hope that by the end of the week.. that the 13 washes I've done will have finally hit a clean surface... (GRIN).

Soundguy

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CNKS

06-12-2006 19:50:49




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to souNdguy, 06-12-2006 19:01:50  
I have used sodium hydroxide (oven cleaner), chemical stripper, various brands of degreasers, etc. But I ALWAYS use multiple applications of PPG DX330 wax and grease remover to remove any greasy residue, or any other residue I may have created. I believe I have seen one fisheye. A gallon of DX 330 will cost more than your paint though -- good stuff. You can probably find a cheaper brand somewhere. DX 440 is stronger, but I don't think you are supposed to paint over it. I realize you have a large implement that will require a lot of scrubbing, but to cut down on the 330, I usually precede it with 409, until my rags are more or less clean. I have cleaned cast iron that way, probably the hardest metal to clean because it is pourous. Since you can work outside, I would begin by pressure washing the (bleep) out of it, preferably with soap. I can't do that because my tractors are inside and immobile when I prep them.

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souNdguy

06-13-2006 11:15:47




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to CNKS, 06-12-2006 19:50:49  
I stopped by car quest at lunch and had them cross your info for their Nason line. The 330 crossed to a 'wax and grease remover'.. and yes.. they like it $$. Also found out that their fish eye remover is recomended for the synthetic enamil and urethane.. etc.

soundguy



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CNKS

06-13-2006 17:01:11




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to souNdguy, 06-13-2006 11:15:47  
As stated before, PPG, DuPont, etc paints are designed for "professional" painters, that is those who can't take the time to do as much prep as we can. Fisheye remover is a treatment for a problem, wax and grease remover eliminates the problem.



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souNdguy

06-13-2006 04:52:03




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 Re: fish eye remover - revisited in reply to CNKS, 06-12-2006 19:50:49  
Thanks for the info.

I have quite a few afternoons of fthis week... I think I will taje advantage of the 'wet' time and just pressure wash the darn thing every day using a soap or degreaser mix. Every time I hit it.. i either get a bit of paint off.. or some more grime. In reality.. I'd guess 80% of it is spotless, and another 10% will be after another wash.... it's just that last few percent that is gonna make me get out there with a long scrub brush and some soap powder and 'swab the deck' so to speak.

I think I'll pick up some 'purple' cleaner today. It seems to cut grease much better than simple green. May have to buy some soap powder too.. and get my 'eves and overhangs' brush on a pole out! I think I'll stick to my routine and not use the fish eye remover.. and just scrub and PW the bejezus out of it..

I will investigate those chemicals you mentioned. might prove usefull ( now or later on )

( weather: nuisance rain right now, with good drenchin last night... light to moderate wind gusts )

Soundguy

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