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B-maniac

07-03-2006 08:55:07




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After reading your last post,I think I have enough more info from you to help narrow this thing down. First of all,you don't have solvent pop.If it starts in the first coat,it cannot be solvent pop. I truly believe you have fisheyes.BUT,there are two types of fisheyes and they both have a different appearance and are caused by two different things.First you have the "normal" fisheye,which shows up as a crater with no peak,just a crater which when sanded over will stay "low" and shiny until you have sanded clear to the bottom of it.These are causedby grease,oils and silicones or liquid or microscopically fine powders (such as dust from auto wax shaken off a towell).Also silica from the armpits of a shirt of a painter using a deoderant containing silica. The other fisheye,which it appears from your description is what you have,is caused by a particle of lint,dust etc that has been exposed to or absorbed oils or silicones and then falls into the paint film. It will still make the paint seperate around it but will have a particle or "peak" in the center. The paint flaw links don't show this one and thus leaves a person scratching their head and heading in the wrong direction to solve it. My suggestion is this; Take a fraction of that money you saved by not replumbing your shop and construct a large arched roof frame-work out of 3/4" or so pvc and stretch clear plastic film over it,basically a painters "green house" inside your shop.Equip it with some sort of low speed,filtered ventilation and keep the floor inside wet while painting. Also wear a disposable paint suit. Very little money and almost guaranteed results. Change the plastic film when you see it attracting too much dust. At this stage of the game ,I guess that is what I would do next,especially since you said you were going to do this as a hobby until you can't anymore. Keep us posted! Good Luck

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CNKS

07-03-2006 17:39:03




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 Re: CNKS Fisheyes ?? in reply to B-maniac, 07-03-2006 08:55:07  
You could be right, and I considered making one of those before I built my booth, but I don't now have enough room for both. My paint booth takes up needed space, but it keeps paint dust from getting on eveything, I don't have to cover things when I'm painting, and the fans pull out the fumes so I can leave my heat on in the winter. My tractor chassis is on jack stands about 3 feet from the booth entrance. I painted it without covering, and just turning on the fans with the booth doors open. Every building is too small -- and your idea could be the solution. Looking at a previously painted tractor I did before the booth, one I did not buff out, it looks "about" the same as the one I'm doing now. And, I do not know where I would be getting the silcone/oil infested lint or dirt. My floor is obviously not spotless, but I keep the oil cleaned up. The oil and junk storage is in an adjacent room. I suppose the fans could pick up the the residual oil infested dirt or lint and pull it under the door, but they are pretty well sealed. One thing I have not mentioned, I usually paint on saw horses with a sheet of OSB over them. I tape masking paper at present (I stopped using newspaper) over the entire surface. I lay parts slightly elevated on 1x4's, 2x 4's etc so that I am sure to get the bottom edge painted. I moisten the boards and sometimes the paper before painting. I also blow air over everything, then use a tack cloth. That said, it seems that the pieces I hang from the ceiling do not have as many "cooties" as the ones I lay flat. The two 16 inch exhaust fans are level with the top of the bench, the 8 filters in the doors are in the top half, meaning the air is drawn down onto the parts to be painted, so that whatever is not filtered or is already in there is actually drawn down to the parts to be painted. THAT may be a mistake. Looking at my paint dust as I paint, there is some swirling. So I may be amplifying my problem. I can't change my fan location, but I can redesign the doors. Obviously there is more to a paint booth than filters and fans -- have to think about this for a while. A couple of other things, I sometimes wonder if the tack cloths do more harm than good. I ALWAYS use them. The necessary sticky stuff on them comes off on the metal -- it seems that would attract lint and dirt. I am considering going over everything with some of the "softener" or anti-static cloths that are used in clothes driers. I have heard of auto detailers using them to de-static a freshly washed/waxed car to reduce static electricity and repel dust. You and Rod need to come observe me sometime, then co-author a book on "How NOT to Paint" and get rich.

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rustyj14

07-21-2006 17:39:30




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 Re: CNKS Fisheyes ?? in reply to CNKS, 07-03-2006 17:39:03  
Yes, you have fisheyes! Go buy a small bottle of FEE, (fish eye eliminator) add several drops to a quart of paint, and that will keep the fisheyes from appearing in the paint! The other eyes from dust are another story, which has been addressed here! Caution: It must be used in all the color for that paint job. And, if you repaint it, you must use it in that paint, too. But, its good insurance! The FEE might have a different trade name now. It was called Smoothie. I haven't been in the trade for nigh onto 11 years, and many changes have happened since then! Rustyj

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CNKS

07-22-2006 19:54:57




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 Re: CNKS Fisheyes ?? in reply to rustyj14, 07-21-2006 17:39:30  
Rusty, I don't have fisheyes -- I take extensive precautions to avoid them.



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B-maniac

07-03-2006 19:51:15




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 Re: CNKS Fisheyes ?? in reply to CNKS, 07-03-2006 17:39:03  
Man ,I don't know what to tell you . Seems like you've already tried everything there is to try.Guess I forgot about your booth.Sounds plenty good enough and probably better than most.About tack rags,I would only use them on larger flater pieces.Completely unfold it all the way,then fold it back up in a pillowy manner so you have a loose fluffy 4x4 "pillow" and just let it float over the panel going just one direction and lift off.If you are getting sticky residue after doing this,then get a different brand rag. Ostrich feathers are the best for dust removal,for they have a static charge that will pull all dust/lint off a panel without just spreading it around.No idea where to get them. I still have the best luck spraying with the fans off,and turning them on AFTER ten minutes of dry time.Do the same for ea. coat. We had a $ 50,000.00 De Vilbiss booth installed at a Chrysler dealership I managed the body shop at.Air make-up and bake and all the bells and whistles. Air exchange had to meet code for isos so it was high.So much air movement,even though it was positive pressure,set up a static elect. moving over the car that it had fuzzies all over it.We ended up spraying with fans off,then on to evacuate and had good results.Tried grounding cars to no avail. I've also learned since then that each manufacturer formulates a couple different systems that are designed just for these kind of booths.If you don't use them you will have problems. Also,if you use one of them designed for that type booth in a diff type homemade booth or no booth at all,you will also have problems.They don't make 4 or 5 diff. urethane clears just so we have choices to make. They make them for different spraying environments. They usually won't tell you the diff. Some of them don't even know the diff.Get the tech sheets,check the web sites or talk directly to a rep. This may surprise you ,but most body shops sand and buff 50% of their jobs since they are trying to beat the clock and cannot take the time to do what we can do to solve the problem . This is another reason that I BC/CC. The base dries too quickly to get dirt,if it gets flaws you can sand them out in 15 min.and recoat.Once you have it the way you want it (free of flaws) then I shut off everything for an hour,tack rag then apply 2 coats of PPG DCC3000 clear,one right after the other. No air moving to carry contaminants and only one chance for any thing to land instead of three. This works for me,I do bend the rules to fit my situation,Rules are only guidlines for the perfect situation and conditions. I know I have been off the real issue here for quite some time, but hope you might be able to use some of the info. I also paint on osb tables,has no affect that I can see.

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CNKS

07-03-2006 20:16:52




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 Re: CNKS Fisheyes ?? in reply to B-maniac, 07-03-2006 19:51:15  
You're not off the issue, I'm still learning things. I'm going to continue messing with it. You have given some good suggestions. From what you said, I'm not the only one with this problem. It's just that nothing I have tried has worked yet -- one of these days it's going to.



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