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Dave Null

07-05-2006 04:14:06




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Sounds like you folks really enjoy fixing these things up. Sure would like to see some of the finished products. I'm getting closer to the "paint my tractor" on my "things to do for Dave" list that is located in the back of my "honey do" novel.

I use it almost daily, so a big project is out of the question. Just want to have something that is a little more presentable. My plan is to tackle it a section at a time (wheels, hood, fenders, etc)until I'm finished.
Was thinking to use rustoleum rusty metal primer in either spray bomb or brush it on, then paint with original colors from a spray can and/or brush it on. Has anyone done a job like this and had decent results? Any tips?

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Dave

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rustyj14

07-21-2006 17:19:10




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 Re: spray cans/brush in reply to Dave Null, 07-05-2006 04:14:06  
I have had several large garden carts that needed painting. So, after grinding off the really heavy rust, and hand sanding the old paint and hard to reach areas, i used Rust-o-leum Rusty metal primer on the rust areas, and after that dried well, i sanded it lightly with #240 Fre-cut white/gray sandpaper. Then, with all sanded with #240, i painted the cart with one of those sponge brushes, And Rust-o-leum dark green. Almost matched the original color! (Well, i used more than one brush!) When it dried, it looked really great, and sold quickly! I spray painted a Cub Cadet for a friend, using Rust-o-leum paint. You have to use a special brand of mineral spirits, which is recommended by ROL. Can't remember the trade name, but the guy at the auto paint store knew exactly what to use. That tractor still looks good, done 2 years ago! Since i painted cars for many years, i was affected by the hardener used in those paints, so i have to keep away from them now! If i'm in the area of an auto body shop, and they are spraying or even mixing that paint, i immediately go into an asthma attack-big time! The ROL doesn't seem to affect me, nor does laquer paints. So, if you decide to spray the new paints with hardener, please take the advice of others here about what type equipment you must use! HTH: Rusty Jones

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IH2444

07-17-2006 07:26:28




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 Re: spray cans/brush in reply to Dave Null, 07-05-2006 04:14:06  
Rustoleum also has grey automotive type primer for better metal surfaces. I have had no problem getting Rustoleum color coats to adhere to or look good over the rusty metal primer.
I have also discovered the Rustoleum crystal clear enamel in spray cans. Makes a good clearcoat, keeps it shiney looking. Time will tell whether the clear enamel helps on fading or not though.
The rusty metal primer can be sanded, but has to cure for several weeks first.

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Dave Null

07-06-2006 04:09:30




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 Re: spray cans/brush in reply to Dave Null, 07-05-2006 04:14:06  
I live in Germany.
If mine looked anywhere near as shiny as Rod's, I'd just bust open a beer every time I had the time to work on the tractor and just wipe it off a little. Believe it or not, my wife bought me a compressor set (to include impact wrench and paint gun) for christmas two years ago. I've just been afraid of the paint gun. It can't look worse than it does now, so I guess I'll do something. As for the primer: This tractor was built over here in 1964 and painted with lacquer. It's pretty much all still there, but has faded and looks to have been sprayed over with red paint (which looks a little milky now) at one time or another. Haven't decided whether to just sand it off a little and prime it, or sandblast it (I have access to a blaster but I've heard different opinions and). I put a frontloader on it from a tractor that was in worse shape than mine (pretty rusty but not really flaky). I've got paint from the dealer, so I guess I'll have to get primer from them as well. Guess I'll take that first step and take small bites to see what happens.
The mentality here is a little different when it comes to stuff like this, so it's not so easy to get advice (language barrier doesn't help much either)

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Dave

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Rod (NH)

07-05-2006 16:13:14




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 Re: spray cans/brush in reply to Dave Null, 07-05-2006 04:14:06  
Hi Dave,

Your plan seems reasonable to me. The Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer should only be used on seriously rusted metal. That is to say; not on light rust, not on clean metal and not over remnants of previous paint. Plus, if you use it, be sure to topcoat it only with a Rustoleum product. Here's what Rustoleum has to say about it, from their website Q&A:

Can I use Rusty Metal Primer and Clean Metal Primer on my car? Stops Rust Auto Primer is formulated for use with automotive touch up paints. Rusty Metal and Clean Metal Primers should only be used if top coated with Rust-Oleum paint.

Can I use Rusty Metal Primer on clean metal? No. The fish oil that is in the primer needs to penetrate into rust to seal out air and moisture. If there is no rust, the oil will rise to the surface making adhesion of the finish coat difficult.

I generally use automotive paints, spraygun applied. If I didn't, my preference would be a brush application of a slow dry enamel instead of rattle cans because I think that provides a thicker, more protective paint film. It also is less expensive and you don't have overspray getting where you don't want it. But that's just me. Others will have a different opinion. Whatever you use, select your topcoat first and follow the recommendations on that can label for any specific additional materials such as correct primer and thinner.

I fully appreciate your situation in trying to paint a tractor that is in regular use. That's my problem also. I only paint outside so I can't do much in the winter months and I don't wish to take the tractor out of service in the summertime for the lengthy period it would take to do it the way I would like. I've now got most of the sheet metal done (on a low priority, piecemeal basis) but likely will never get to the main chassis unless I drastically change my methods and materials. Of course, painting the castings only serves a cosmetic purpose anyway. They'll easily last another 60 years with no paint at all. You can see my always outside and always unfinished AC-B here.

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souNdguy

07-05-2006 13:44:05




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 Re: spray cans/brush in reply to Dave Null, 07-05-2006 04:14:06  
I've seen lots of peopl eroler or brush paint on tin.. then flash over it with a spray can to even it out.

This is a decent thick coating for a working tractor. I'm not sure that it would be a parade or show job.. unless you got lucky and the stars lined up just right..

Rattle can primer is better than no primer! I've painted over both rattle can and spray gun primer with good results.

Most of the finsh quality results are in the body work prep.. not the paint materials.. though paint application does effect finish outcome for sure.

If you want a decent looking machine.. you do realize you can get a touch up or cheap syphon gun ( or gravity feed ) and a small air compressor and do some pretty decent work.

Before i got a more manly compressor.. i painted quite a few tractors with a 89$ chinese pancake compressor ( 2hp/4g ), and used an old 15$ attached 15g campbell hausfeld air tank for extra air capacity. I used a 14$ marked down to 9$ chinese syphon gun.. that looks like a binks knockoff at 20'. I also used a 20$ air regualtor/water trat.. also chinese. Could have used a 9$ cH air reg, I also like to thro in a 4$ disposable air filter right at the gun.. car quest sells them... that 4$ fitler and 9$ reg would do an adequate hobby job vs the 20$ setup.. if money is an issue.

That rig and some cans of paint, primer, and appropritae thinners and reducers.. etc.. can make a decent tractor finish, given time..

Here's a hint.. get an old piece of scrap to practice painting on.. car hood..e tc.. Paint alot.. learn on it. Paint witht he paints you will be using.. many paints have different spray characteristics.. and you want to be sure you know your gun pattern, and how to adjust it ( air also ) when you go to spray the real deal.

Tales lots of money in rattle cans to paint a tractor. i'll bet your first rattle can job on an average size tractor will pay for the cheap chinese paint equipment i just mentioned..

Soundguy

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